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OHBBREF Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:42pm

Half time T
 
The first half horn sounds, then A1 releases a try for goal that goes in.
The officials wave off the shot.
Player A1 the speaking captain - vehemently questions the call and is sent to the locker room with a warning to let it go.
On the way out of the gym he kicks several chairs out onto the floor inciting the crowd into further negative reactions.

A1 gets his T :cool:

administer the Technical
for Frederation and NCAA :confused:

truerookie Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 546254)
The first half horn sounds, then A1 releases a try for goal that goes in.
The officials wave off the shot.
Player A1 the speaking captain - vehemently questions the call and is sent to the locker room with a warning to let it go.
On the way out of the gym he kicks several chairs out onto the floor inciting the crowd into further negative reactions.

A1 gets his T :cool:

administer the Technical
for Frederation and NCAA :confused:

Since, this occurred after the horn. Start the 2ND half shooting FT's for unsporting behavior.

jdw3018 Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 546260)
Since, this occurred after the horn. Start the 2ND half shooting FT's for unsporting behavior.

And, since it was during halftime, A1 is considered bench personnel and therefore it is also an indirect technical on Head Coach A and he can remain seated for the 2nd half...

Ed Maeder Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:55pm

In addition the coach will get an indirect technical. The player became bench personal at the half. Coach will lose box for the rest of the game.

Back In The Saddle Mon Oct 27, 2008 05:54pm

For NFHS, start the 2nd half with free throws, then the offended team gets the ball at midcourt opposite for a throw in. Arrow remains unchanged.

NCAA, I believe you start the 2nd half with the free throws, then POI is the normal AP throw-in.

eg-italy Tue Oct 28, 2008 04:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 546358)
For NFHS, start the 2nd half with free throws, then the offended team gets the ball at midcourt opposite for a throw in. Arrow remains unchanged.

Just for completeness, FIBA is "almost" the same, but the offending team will start the quarter with a team foul. The technical foul counts for the player's five, since during an intermission all team members entitled to play (that is, not fouled out) are considered players (so there's no T charged to the coach).

Adam Tue Oct 28, 2008 07:31am

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Originally Posted by eg-italy (Post 546467)
Just for completeness, FIBA is "almost" the same, but the offending team will start the quarter with a team foul. The technical foul counts for the player's five, since during an intermission all team members entitled to play (that is, not fouled out) are considered players <strike>(so there's no T charged to the coach).</strike>

I believe this is true for Fed as well; except for the part lined out.

All_Heart Tue Oct 28, 2008 09:51am

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Just for completeness, FIBA is "almost" the same, but the offending team will start the quarter with a team foul. The technical foul counts for the player's five, since during an intermission all team members entitled to play (that is, not fouled out) are considered players <strike>(so </strike>
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 546474)
I believe this is true for Fed as well; except for the part lined out.


For NFHS the team members are bench personnel during intermission and NOT players.

This is a 06-07 Editorial Change:
<link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5COwner%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsoh tml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"> <link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5COwner%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsoh tml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"> 4-34-1, 2
Clarified that a player is one of five team members who are legally in the game at any given time except intermission and that during an intermission, all team members are bench personnel.

Adam Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:37am

So, when A8, sitting on the bench, pops off and gets himself a T, does that not count towards his 5? Other than the semantics, I see no difference except that the coach gets an indirect as well.

eg-italy Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 546508)
So, when A8, sitting on the bench, pops off and gets himself a T, does that not count towards his 5? Other than the semantics, I see no difference except that the coach gets an indirect as well.

I don't know in FED; but in FIBA a T on bench personnel does not count for team fouls nor towards the fifth foul of a substitute; it is charged only to the coach (type B) and counts towards the three T for the coach. A T can be charged directly to the coach for unsporting behavior (type C); two C fouls or three fouls (three B's or two B's and one C) mandate the coach's ejection. However, since during an intermission ("interval of play", in FIBAspeak) all team members entitled to play are players and not bench personnel (4.1.4), a T charged to one of them counts for the five personal fouls and for team fouls in the subsequent period.

Probably just to add confusion among rule sets. :)

All_Heart Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 546508)
So, when A8, sitting on the bench, pops off and gets himself a T, does that not count towards his 5? Other than the semantics, I see no difference except that the coach gets an indirect as well.

Yes A8 would receive a direct technical and it would count toward his 5 fouls.

The part that I was clarifing is this:
Quote:

during an intermission all team members entitled to play (that is, not fouled out) are considered players
They are not considered players, they are bench personnel.

Adam Tue Oct 28, 2008 02:09pm

I agree with you, then. Other than semantics.... :)


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