POE - Correct mechanics
 

It was addressed in our association meeting and the emphasized the proper use of approved NFHS signals.

My question is, are there areas in which you differ from the NAMES of the signals.

For instance, when you report, do you say "illegal use of the hands" or do you just say "hit" or "on the arm" as I see most officials doing? Do you say "blocking" or do you say "body."

Does it matter? Anyone have associations that are really strict on this?

I report that "he was giving him the business". I leave out the 'down there' part.

Ok, seriously: I do say "hit[s]". If an illegal screen is steering the defender, I sometimes say, "steering the defender". Another term I have used is "arm bar" and if a player is hit on the head, I usually emphasize that because I have a distaste for fouls that involve contact to the head.

You know.. I have seen many officials use a "On The Floor' signal." When watching the game I view this as "The Basket is Good" signal. Then get confused when the ball is taken out of bounds for a throw-in.
Why don't we all just use the "No Shot' signal?
I guess the "On The Floor' signal" is a good example of using a non-standard signal.

I was watching a game last Sunday: the official called a foul, immediately gave the "no basket" signal and after that he did the "on the floor" one, just when the ball was going through the basket. I was confused for some seconds, because it was just like "basket is good" :eek: You can imagine how fans might react in this case. :rolleyes:

Some years ago I saw an official who thought that the "wave off" signal was to be used as "stop the clock": when calling a foul on the shooter he waved off and then signalled that the basket was good. Really. :(

Using that "signal" sends the wrong message. Habitual motion can begin while a player is still "on the floor" & the player should be awarded with FTs in that case.
I agree with you that wiping the attempt, "no shot" communicates a throw-in is next, unless there are 7+ fouls of course.

It bugs me when I see guys say "hits" or "on the arm" when they report, but a lot of guys do it. I don't believe there is any requirement to say anything while reporting the mechanic for the nature of the foul at the table. I say nothing and just perform the mechanic.

NFHS mechanics do not require you to verbalize the nature of the foul at the table. Just give the signal. "Blue, 42. [signal blocking] Two shots."

KISS :)

By golly that solves it!

While there are certainly bigger things to be bugged about, I've quit verbalizing this when I report. I found it's easier this way, and doesn't draw the occasional "what was that?" from the chirpy coach.

I say the foul as is (block, hold, push) for all but illegal use of hands. For that, I say "hands".

While reporting? Or only at the spot?

I will admit that this one got me in trouble a few years ago (maybe 5 years) and I've never used it again. It was the final seconds of a tightly contested game in a small gym with a very excited, loud crowd on hand. The dribbler started a drive on the wing (me as trail on that side). The dribbler worked his way almost around the defender when he was steered by the defender with an extended arm. *Whistle!!* Two dribbles later he shot the ball "No shot, no shot, on the floor" *Waved the basket off and pointed to the floor* Got over to the bench to report *waved the basket off* ## *Signaled hand check and pointed to the spot the throw in was to happen* The crowd, coach, players went crazy. I have never pointed at the floor again. I refuse to lol It will only only lead to misunderstanding

-Josh

I used to do that but I have changed course.

Now every time have a foul I report or say the action that was a foul. For example I say, "4-2, push from behind" along with the appropriate signal. I was suggested to do this at a camp about 2 years ago and ever since I can hardly think of a single time where someone questioned the call after I reported it. I will even get more specific as to which arm the player hit or fouled or the action that created the foul.

Peace

While reporting, always. At spot, sometimes.

Like JRut, just mentioned, I also add more description on occassion...such as "from behind" to more completley communcate what happened when it may not be obvious.

Once Again, The "B" Does Not Stand For "Blind" ...
 

Same thing for IAABO mechanics, as bad as they are.

I Hope That This Doesn't Start A Fight ...
 

Is it "Blue, 42", or "Blue, 4-2"?

This has been emphasized to us in our classes- under the umbrella of "preventive officiating" especially younger officials- while reporting the foul announce color, number and use the appropriate mechanic. You don't have to say anything. In fact, the higher the level of game, there's less of chance the table will hear you anyway, and it prevents a coach from *****ing about a hand check foul reported as illegal use of hands....


And for us here in NJ, saying "on the floor" is a big no-no, and will keep you in the middle school games forever.... our spot of foul mechanic is to wave off the shot and "before". NEVER "on the floor". Of course, it wasn't a problem for me until I was told NEVER to say "on the floor" and my next game I said it twice... arrrrgh!

You're supposed to report the player's number to the table. Is the player's number "42" or is the player's number "4-2"?

When In Connecticut, Do As Connecticuters Do ...
 

Easy answer: The player's number is 42, but for the past twenty-seven years, here in my little corner of the Constitution State, we've been taught to state "4-2". Do you want to fight about it? I'd rather fight than switch. Meet me outside.

Not me. Fight Bktballref. He's the one who pointed out this obvious, yet overlooked, fact to me. The player's number is 42. Report the player's number.

You probably don't want to fight Bktballref, though. I heard he tackled South Carolina's quarterback in Saturday's game. :D

We Don't Take Too Kindly To Hyphenated Words Either ..
 

Bring him on. I'll fight anyone who comes into my little corner of the state and trys to report to the table by saying "forty-two". We don't take too kindly to folks saying ten-dollar words like "forty-two" in our basketball games.

Barely, he didn't really wrap him up at all.

Except when reporting "50", people often mistake that for "15", and vice versa. People end up saying the digits individually after that, anyways.

If someone tells me that the worst part of my game is that I said "four two" instead of "forty-two", I will be pleased.

When I went to my first training sessions a few yrs back, I never realized I had the bad habit of reporting by saying "I've got" before reporting fouls. "I've got blue, 4-2, with a hold." I was told to slow down, and as is stated report - color, number, and give a signal. The less said the less room for error......good advice given to me by a senior official. Every now and then, early in the yr I do catch myself however....that's why I practice and get my scrimmages in.

Purple 22 Foul, Yellow 23 Shoots Two ???
 

You're correct. That's the wording in the manual. We're a bunch of rebels here in Connecticut, that's why we do it differently.

Where in the manual does it state that officials are not supposed to use two syllables for jersey colors, yet we've been told that dozens of times by the three interpreters that I've served under. It's "Gold", not "Yellow". It's "Blue", not "Purple". It's "Red", not "Orange", etc.

In HS around here, most scorekeepers like to hear the number at the same time as seeing the hand signal, since we report one numeral at a time. That's why we report 1-3 while showing the 1, then the 3. How do you report "thirteen"? Do you say "thir" when showing the 1, then "teen" when showing the 3? Since it's an issue of communication with the table, we just try to do what works best for them.

In NCAA-W, since we do two-handed reporting, it makes more sense to verbalize the actual number since we are showing both digits at the same time.

I've always been told the same thing, with the reason being it is easier to communicate in one-syllable words. However, I was told at a camp this season that we should report the actual color, not the one-syllable version, because the actual color is part of the players' and teams' identity. One team around here is called the Purple Raiders, so why should we call them "blue" if most of us are advanced enough beyond one-syllable words in our communication skills?

How far do we take that? Would / should we use "crimson", "chartreuse", "teal" or "ochre?"

Some of us more "enlightened" people might.

Btw: Shut up. :p

That's quite an interesting statement. How was this preference determined? Survey? Negotiations with the local scorekeepers and timers union? It has a air of urban legend about it, as if it were the unquestioned wisdom of the fathers that has been passed down for so long that nobody questions it.

Just sayin ;)

Urban legend?!? I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell 'ya.

I believe everything my elders tell me; it's only common courtesy.

(That's why I believe you... :p )

I just say, "Foul's on Blue, 42 (give signal), here (the here is with the visual signal)." Then I either point the direction the ball is given two or say two shots or whatever the situation is.

Drop the "fouls on"

here? forget that too

KISS

"Blue, forty-two, block"

Sage ??? Periwinkle ???
 

I don't know what some of those colors look like. Ochre?

Must be green. Ochre is a vegetable, but it's actually spelled okra. Some people like it. Many people don't.

"Slimy, ain't it." **


**Fred Sanford

I used to like okra as a kid. I liked the fried version much more than the boiled version in black eye peas. Now for some reason I cannot stand okra. Now sure why, I just stopped liking it. :D

Peace

Uconn ???
 

So when the University of Connecticut team is on the road, and one of their players fouls, the report to the table wil be "National Flag Blue, 42".

Sigh...ok, here's my chance to help the unenlightened masses.

O-chre: n.
1. Any of several earthy mineral oxides of iron occurring in yellow, brown, or red and used as pigments.
2. A moderate orange yellow, from moderate or deep orange to moderate or strong yellow.

And, fwiw, I'm not gonna start using those particular color names unless I hear them in the school song:

"All hail to the Cream and the Ochre
If my lawnmower doesn't start I'll choke 'er"

Sheesh, I'm going back to my Ivory tower. (That's like a fancy white, for those that aren't sure... :D)

Oh, that definitely clears it up - Ochre is either yellow, orange, brown, or red. Now I'll know it if I see it! Thanks. ;)

Happy to help.

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