Last second three?

[surehands]

The score is tied. With 1 second ledft on the clock in he 4th quarter. A1 releases a jump shot from beyond the three point arc. After the release, but before A1 returns to the floor, B1 fouls A1. The foul is not intentional or flagrant. A1 's shot goes in the basket after the horn sounds. Ruling?
Count A1's three point basket;charge a foulto B1: and shoot no free throws???????

[All_Heart]

You got it!

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by surehands

The score is tied. With 1 second ledft on the clock in he 4th quarter. A1 releases a jump shot from beyond the three point arc. After the release, but before A1 returns to the floor, B1 fouls A1. The foul is not intentional or flagrant. A1 's shot goes in the basket after the horn sounds. Ruling?
Count A1's three point basket;charge a foulto B1: and shoot no free throws???????

Since the release for the try was before the horn sounded, the attempt is good if ruled successful. Since A1's last position on the floor was beyond the arc, the try is a 3-point try. Since B1 fouled A1 before A1 returned to the floor, it is a "shooting foul". Since the basket went in, A leads by 3, and since the outcome of the game is already determined, do not shoot the free throws. Yes, do report the foul to the table. In fact, at the table, you would count the basket with a successful 3-point signal, report the foul, type of foul (blocking perhaps), and then state that the game is over.

[mick]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Since the release for the try was before the horn sounded, the attempt is good if ruled successful. Since A1's last position on the floor was beyond the arc, the try is a 3-point try. Since B1 fouled A1 before A1 returned to the floor, it is a "shooting foul". Since the basket went in, A leads by 3, and since the outcome of the game is already determined, do not shoot the free throws. Yes, do report the foul to the table. In fact, at the table, you would count the basket with a successful 3-point signal, report the foul, type of foul (blocking perhaps), and then state that the game is over.

I've been looking for the ruling, but I cannot find it.

Do you have a reference for that? I may run into some kid that needs one more point for a 9th grade scoring record.
Thanks.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by mick

I've been looking for the ruling, but I cannot find it.

NFHS 5-6-2, Exception 3: "No free throw(s) shall be attempted after time has expired for the fourth quarter or any extra period, unless the point(s) would affect the outcome of the game."

NCAA 5-7-3.a.1 is the similar ruling for college.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

NFHS 5-6-2, Exception 3: "No free throw(s) shall be attempted after time has expired for the fourth quarter or any extra period, unless the point(s) would affect the outcome of the game."

NCAA 5-7-3.a.1 is the similar ruling for college.

Thank you kindly, Scrapper1

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Since the release for the try was before the horn sounded, the attempt is good if ruled successful. Since A1's last position on the floor was beyond the arc, the try is a 3-point try. Since B1 fouled A1 before A1 returned to the floor, it is a "shooting foul". Since the basket went in, A leads by 3, and since the outcome of the game is already determined, do not shoot the free throws. Yes, do report the foul to the table. In fact, at the table, you would count the basket with a successful 3-point signal, report the foul, type of foul (blocking perhaps), and then state that the game is over.

My first year officiating, I was doing a 8th grade girls game and A1 was fouled at the buzzer in the act of shooting. Team A was leading by two. I tooted, reported the foul and meekly said the game was over. A1 was almost bawling and wanted to shoot the free throws encouraged by a few parents and teammates. I said OK, and my veteran partner almost killed me.

I always bring it up talking about the good old days.

P.S. she clanked both shots.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I tooted

Ya' gotta stop eating burritos at halftime.

[SmokeEater]

Lets change this up just a bit.

The score is tied. With 1 second left on the clock in the 4th quarter. On a layup attempt, after the release, but before A1 returns to the floor, A1 contacts B1 who has established legal defensive position. The shot bounces on the rim a bit and then A1 's shot goes in the basket after the horn sounds. Ruling?

I would be interested if this ruling would be different for FIBA, NFHS, & NCAA.

[tjones1]

Fed

Player control - no bucket, overtime.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

Lets change this up just a bit.

The score is tied. With 1 second left on the clock in he 4th quarter. On a layup attempt, after the release, but before A1 returns to the floor, A1 contacts B1 who has established legal defensive position. The shot bounces on the rim a bit and then A1 's shot goes in the basket after the horn sounds. Ruling?

I would be interested if this ruling would be different for FIBA, NFHS, & NCAA.

Depends....not all contact is a foul.

But, you probably meant A1 knocked B1 on his or her dairy air. Then tjones1 has it right.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

Lets change this up just a bit.

The score is tied. With 1 second left on the clock in the 4th quarter. On a layup attempt, after the release, but before A1 returns to the floor, A1 contacts B1 who has established legal defensive position. The shot bounces on the rim a bit and then A1 's shot goes in the basket after the horn sounds. Ruling?

I would be interested if this ruling would be different for FIBA, NFHS, & NCAA.

In FIBA the basket would count, since it was released before time expired; the foul on A1 is a common foul of the team not in control of the ball, so B1 shoots the bonus (if after the 4th foul in the period). However, if time expires before the contact between A1 and B1, the contact is ignored.

Note that the bonus free throws for B1 are to be shooted even if they cannot affect the outcome of the match. Your rule about this is much better.

Ciao

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I was doing a 8th grade girls game and A1 was fouled at the buzzer in the act of shooting. Team A was leading by two. I tooted, reported the foul and meekly said the game was over. A1 was almost bawling and wanted to shoot the free throws encouraged by a few parents and teammates.

It's been several years, and thousands, perhaps, tens of thousands of games since NFHS 5-6-2, Exception 3 was added to the rule book. How long will it be until this happens.

Team A leads Team B 65 to 50, with a few seconds to go in the game. It's the last game of the season for Team A, they didn't win enough games to qualify for any conference, or state tournament. A1, a senior, who a few minutes ago scored his 997th career point, is fouled in the act of shooting a two point try at the final buzzer, with the ball in flight, when the horn sounds. 0:00.0 on the clock, and a final buzzer. Count the basket, Team A is ahead 67 to 50, and A1 has scored his 999th point. The Team A coach told you during the third period intermission that A1 was close to scoring his 1000th career point and that when he did, he wanted a timeout to present A1 with the game ball. How many of you would approve the final score and leave the visual confines of the playing area, leaving A1 with 999 points?

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Team A leads Team B 65 to 50, with a few seconds to go in the game. It's the last game of the season for Team A, they didn't win enough games to qualify for any conference, or state tournament. A1, a senior, who a few minutes ago scored his 997th career point, is fouled in the act of shooting a two point try at the final buzzer, with the ball in flight, when the horn sounds. 0:00.0 on the clock, and a final buzzer. Count the basket, Team A is ahead 67 to 50, and A1 has scored his 999th point. The Team A coach told you during the third period intermission that A1 was close to scoring his 1000th career point and that when he did, he wanted a timeout to present A1 with the game ball. How many of you would approve the final score and leave the visual confines of the playing area, leaving A1 with 999 points?

So you are asking how many people would cheat to allow A1 to score more points after the game was over so that he could break a record? I would hope no one. It is not the official's job to make sure that one guy is able to score a lot of points. If you want to make sure this guy breaks some record why not just call a lot of fouls on B when he is shooting during the entire game?

[Adam]

In my game, he walks away from this game with 999 points. It wouldn't be fair to the other record holders to give him an extra-legal way of getting to 1000, for one.

For two (and more importantly); I don't care how many points someone scores, I only care that the game is played by the rules.