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eg-italy Wed Oct 15, 2008 04:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeEater (Post 543289)
Lets change this up just a bit.

The score is tied. With 1 second left on the clock in the 4th quarter. On a layup attempt, after the release, but before A1 returns to the floor, A1 contacts B1 who has established legal defensive position. The shot bounces on the rim a bit and then A1 's shot goes in the basket after the horn sounds. Ruling?

I would be interested if this ruling would be different for FIBA, NFHS, & NCAA.

In FIBA the basket would count, since it was released before time expired; the foul on A1 is a common foul of the team not in control of the ball, so B1 shoots the bonus (if after the 4th foul in the period). However, if time expires before the contact between A1 and B1, the contact is ignored.

Note that the bonus free throws for B1 are to be shooted even if they cannot affect the outcome of the match. Your rule about this is much better.

Ciao

BillyMac Wed Oct 15, 2008 07:11pm

This will happen some day, if it hasn't happened already...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 543249)
I was doing a 8th grade girls game and A1 was fouled at the buzzer in the act of shooting. Team A was leading by two. I tooted, reported the foul and meekly said the game was over. A1 was almost bawling and wanted to shoot the free throws encouraged by a few parents and teammates.

It's been several years, and thousands, perhaps, tens of thousands of games since NFHS 5-6-2, Exception 3 was added to the rule book. How long will it be until this happens.

Team A leads Team B 65 to 50, with a few seconds to go in the game. It's the last game of the season for Team A, they didn't win enough games to qualify for any conference, or state tournament. A1, a senior, who a few minutes ago scored his 997th career point, is fouled in the act of shooting a two point try at the final buzzer, with the ball in flight, when the horn sounds. 0:00.0 on the clock, and a final buzzer. Count the basket, Team A is ahead 67 to 50, and A1 has scored his 999th point. The Team A coach told you during the third period intermission that A1 was close to scoring his 1000th career point and that when he did, he wanted a timeout to present A1 with the game ball. How many of you would approve the final score and leave the visual confines of the playing area, leaving A1 with 999 points?

LDUB Wed Oct 15, 2008 09:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 543400)
Team A leads Team B 65 to 50, with a few seconds to go in the game. It's the last game of the season for Team A, they didn't win enough games to qualify for any conference, or state tournament. A1, a senior, who a few minutes ago scored his 997th career point, is fouled in the act of shooting a two point try at the final buzzer, with the ball in flight, when the horn sounds. 0:00.0 on the clock, and a final buzzer. Count the basket, Team A is ahead 67 to 50, and A1 has scored his 999th point. The Team A coach told you during the third period intermission that A1 was close to scoring his 1000th career point and that when he did, he wanted a timeout to present A1 with the game ball. How many of you would approve the final score and leave the visual confines of the playing area, leaving A1 with 999 points?

So you are asking how many people would cheat to allow A1 to score more points after the game was over so that he could break a record? I would hope no one. It is not the official's job to make sure that one guy is able to score a lot of points. If you want to make sure this guy breaks some record why not just call a lot of fouls on B when he is shooting during the entire game?

Adam Wed Oct 15, 2008 09:24pm

In my game, he walks away from this game with 999 points. It wouldn't be fair to the other record holders to give him an extra-legal way of getting to 1000, for one.

For two (and more importantly); I don't care how many points someone scores, I only care that the game is played by the rules.

tjones1 Wed Oct 15, 2008 09:36pm

I'm walking away, too. The game is over and I've got the rules to support my action.

Back In The Saddle Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:48pm

He scored 999 points? That's amazing. Actually sounds more impressive than 1000. Not that I care. I'm heading to the locker room.

just another ref Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:21am

999 points!! Not in one game, that would be a record. ***










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Kenny Mayne
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BillyMac Thu Oct 16, 2008 06:36am

Here Are My Keys Officer, Could You Go And Get My Car For Me ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 543431)
In my game, he walks away from this game with 999 points. It wouldn't be fair to the other record holders to give him an extra-legal way of getting to 1000, for one.

That's the way I would do it. If this was a home game for A1, I might want a police escort to my car after the game.

CoachP Thu Oct 16, 2008 07:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 543400)
It's been several years, and thousands, perhaps, tens of thousands of games since NFHS 5-6-2, Exception 3 was added to the rule book. How long will it be until this happens.

Team A leads Team B 65 to 50, with a few seconds to go in the game. It's the last game of the season for Team A, they didn't win enough games to qualify for any conference, or state tournament. A1, a senior, who a few minutes ago scored his 997th career point, is fouled in the act of shooting a two point try at the final buzzer, with the ball in flight, when the horn sounds. 0:00.0 on the clock, and a final buzzer. Count the basket, Team A is ahead 67 to 50, and A1 has scored his 999th point. The Team A coach told you during the third period intermission that A1 was close to scoring his 1000th career point and that when he did, he wanted a timeout to present A1 with the game ball. How many of you would approve the final score and leave the visual confines of the playing area, leaving A1 with 999 points?

Lesseee....A caring coach....a senior leader.......clock winding down on his career......needs 3 points to hit 1000......and he's firing up a 2 point attempt at the buzzer?????

I doubt it.

JugglingReferee Thu Oct 16, 2008 08:00am

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Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 543483)
Lesseee....A caring coach....a senior leader.......clock winding down on his career......needs 3 points to hit 1000......and he's firing up a 2 point attempt at the buzzer?????

I doubt it.

Maybe he's stuck inside the arc and tried to draw a foul?

just another ref Thu Oct 16, 2008 08:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 543400)
Team A leads Team B 65 to 50, with a few seconds to go in the game. It's the last game of the season for Team A, they didn't win enough games to qualify for any conference, or state tournament. A1, a senior, who a few minutes ago scored his 997th career point, is fouled in the act of shooting a two point try at the final buzzer, with the ball in flight, when the horn sounds. 0:00.0 on the clock, and a final buzzer. Count the basket, Team A is ahead 67 to 50, and A1 has scored his 999th point. The Team A coach told you during the third period intermission that A1 was close to scoring his 1000th career point and that when he did, he wanted a timeout to present A1 with the game ball. How many of you would approve the final score and leave the visual confines of the playing area, leaving A1 with 999 points?

With the score 65 to 50, he's gonna gonna really have to get clobbered to get the foul called.

CoachP Thu Oct 16, 2008 08:19am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 543491)
With the score 65 to 50, he's gonna gonna really have to get clobbered to get the foul called.

Do the math...how many T's would coach A have to earn to get B enough attempts to warrent a possible 18 FT's and extend the game?

:rolleyes:

IREFU2 Thu Oct 16, 2008 08:36am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 543307)
I'm 95% sure that NCAA-W is the same as NFHS on this. Actually, I just looked at the rulebook. I'm 100% sure. :) No basket, no free throws for NCAA-W.

No basket, no free throws??? Are we talking about the orginal post at the top if the ball is released prior to the horn sounding and B1 fouls A1 on the shot attempt???

Scrapper1 Thu Oct 16, 2008 08:41am

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Originally Posted by IREFU2 (Post 543498)
No basket, no free throws??? Are we talking about the orginal post at the top if the ball is released prior to the horn sounding and B1 fouls A1 on the shot attempt???

Not the same play. I was responding to this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeEater (Post 543289)
Lets change this up just a bit.

The score is tied. With 1 second left on the clock in the 4th quarter. On a layup attempt, after the release, but before A1 returns to the floor, A1 contacts B1 who has established legal defensive position. The shot bounces on the rim a bit and then A1 's shot goes in the basket after the horn sounds. Ruling?


IREFU2 Thu Oct 16, 2008 08:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 543501)
Not the same play. I was responding to this:

Okay, just checking!!!!!


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