Last second three?
 

The score is tied. With 1 second ledft on the clock in he 4th quarter. A1 releases a jump shot from beyond the three point arc. After the release, but before A1 returns to the floor, B1 fouls A1. The foul is not intentional or flagrant. A1 's shot goes in the basket after the horn sounds. Ruling?
Count A1's three point basket;charge a foulto B1: and shoot no free throws???????

You got it! :)

Since the release for the try was before the horn sounded, the attempt is good if ruled successful. Since A1's last position on the floor was beyond the arc, the try is a 3-point try. Since B1 fouled A1 before A1 returned to the floor, it is a "shooting foul". Since the basket went in, A leads by 3, and since the outcome of the game is already determined, do not shoot the free throws. Yes, do report the foul to the table. In fact, at the table, you would count the basket with a successful 3-point signal, report the foul, type of foul (blocking perhaps), and then state that the game is over.

I've been looking for the ruling, but I cannot find it.

Do you have a reference for that? I may run into some kid that needs one more point for a 9th grade scoring record.
Thanks.

NFHS 5-6-2, Exception 3: "No free throw(s) shall be attempted after time has expired for the fourth quarter or any extra period, unless the point(s) would affect the outcome of the game."

NCAA 5-7-3.a.1 is the similar ruling for college.

Thank you kindly, Scrapper1 :)

My first year officiating, I was doing a 8th grade girls game and A1 was fouled at the buzzer in the act of shooting. Team A was leading by two. I tooted, reported the foul and meekly said the game was over. A1 was almost bawling and wanted to shoot the free throws encouraged by a few parents and teammates. I said OK, and my veteran partner almost killed me.

I always bring it up talking about the good old days.

P.S. she clanked both shots.

Ya' gotta stop eating burritos at halftime. :p

Lets change this up just a bit.

The score is tied. With 1 second left on the clock in the 4th quarter. On a layup attempt, after the release, but before A1 returns to the floor, A1 contacts B1 who has established legal defensive position. The shot bounces on the rim a bit and then A1 's shot goes in the basket after the horn sounds. Ruling?

I would be interested if this ruling would be different for FIBA, NFHS, & NCAA.

Fed

Player control - no bucket, overtime.

Depends....not all contact is a foul.:)

But, you probably meant A1 knocked B1 on his or her dairy air. Then tjones1 has it right.

NCAA-M: Score the basket, shoot 1-and-1 at the other end if B is in the bonus. If either free throw misses, the game is over.

Womens and FIBA I believe is the same. This is based on the fact the ball has been released.

Thanks

I'm 95% sure that NCAA-W is the same as NFHS on this. Actually, I just looked at the rulebook. I'm 100% sure. :) No basket, no free throws for NCAA-W.

Ok thanks I stand corrected. Well actually I'm sitting.

In FIBA the basket would count, since it was released before time expired; the foul on A1 is a common foul of the team not in control of the ball, so B1 shoots the bonus (if after the 4th foul in the period). However, if time expires before the contact between A1 and B1, the contact is ignored.

Note that the bonus free throws for B1 are to be shooted even if they cannot affect the outcome of the match. Your rule about this is much better.

Ciao

This will happen some day, if it hasn't happened already...
 

It's been several years, and thousands, perhaps, tens of thousands of games since NFHS 5-6-2, Exception 3 was added to the rule book. How long will it be until this happens.

Team A leads Team B 65 to 50, with a few seconds to go in the game. It's the last game of the season for Team A, they didn't win enough games to qualify for any conference, or state tournament. A1, a senior, who a few minutes ago scored his 997th career point, is fouled in the act of shooting a two point try at the final buzzer, with the ball in flight, when the horn sounds. 0:00.0 on the clock, and a final buzzer. Count the basket, Team A is ahead 67 to 50, and A1 has scored his 999th point. The Team A coach told you during the third period intermission that A1 was close to scoring his 1000th career point and that when he did, he wanted a timeout to present A1 with the game ball. How many of you would approve the final score and leave the visual confines of the playing area, leaving A1 with 999 points?

So you are asking how many people would cheat to allow A1 to score more points after the game was over so that he could break a record? I would hope no one. It is not the official's job to make sure that one guy is able to score a lot of points. If you want to make sure this guy breaks some record why not just call a lot of fouls on B when he is shooting during the entire game?

In my game, he walks away from this game with 999 points. It wouldn't be fair to the other record holders to give him an extra-legal way of getting to 1000, for one.

For two (and more importantly); I don't care how many points someone scores, I only care that the game is played by the rules.

I'm walking away, too. The game is over and I've got the rules to support my action.

He scored 999 points? That's amazing. Actually sounds more impressive than 1000. Not that I care. I'm heading to the locker room.

999 points!! Not in one game, that would be a record. ***










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Kenny Mayne
ESPN

Here Are My Keys Officer, Could You Go And Get My Car For Me ...
 

That's the way I would do it. If this was a home game for A1, I might want a police escort to my car after the game.

Lesseee....A caring coach....a senior leader.......clock winding down on his career......needs 3 points to hit 1000......and he's firing up a 2 point attempt at the buzzer?????

I doubt it.

Maybe he's stuck inside the arc and tried to draw a foul?

With the score 65 to 50, he's gonna gonna really have to get clobbered to get the foul called.

Do the math...how many T's would coach A have to earn to get B enough attempts to warrent a possible 18 FT's and extend the game?

:rolleyes:

No basket, no free throws??? Are we talking about the orginal post at the top if the ball is released prior to the horn sounding and B1 fouls A1 on the shot attempt???

Not the same play. I was responding to this:

Okay, just checking!!!!!

I feel this way as well. I'm outta there.
Don't ya think he will be better remembered as the one who fell one point short of 1000 anyway?

I'd rather be known as the guy who scored 999 legitimately than the guy who scored 1,000, but it was "fixed".

Sorta like Strahan's sack record.

Or the female basketball player who scored her record-breaking points in a boot against a team that agreed not to play defense and allow her to score. I don't remember who that was, but I always felt that was pretty lame. I understand it, I just personally don't like it. Maybe if I was the one who was going for the record I'd feel differently; I don't know.

My point exactly. For the most part, all we remember is that "the fix was in" when she broke the record. That one cheap basket pretty much negates any sense of wonder or admiration for all the legitimate ones that came before.

It Was Nykesha Sales (University of Connecticut)...
 

February 21, 1998--College hoop star Nykesha Sales enters her last home game of her senior season 28 Points short of the University of Connecticut (UConn) women's scoring record. She scores 27 points in the first 30 minutes. But with 9.48 remaining, Sales crashes to the floor, with a ruptured Achilles tendon. Her college career is over 1 point shy of the record.

Or was it? Three days later, Sales was back on the court (in a cast) against the Villanova Wildcats. UConn coach Geno Auriemma had arranged with Villanova's coach to let Sales score an uncontested layup at the game's beginning, giving her the record. Villanova was then allowed to score a basket to even the score.

Auriemma checked with UConn officials, the Big East (UConn's league), and with the previous record holder, Kerry Bascom-Poliquim. Because they all approved of letting Sales score the basket, Auriemma decided to give Sales the record. Because Villanova was allowed a free basket, he said, it also didn't affect the outcome of the game.

Sales's gift basket is not the first of its kind in sports. There have been many instances where athletes nearing records are given special treatment. Here are some other examples from sports history where players were given special treatment to attain certain records or goals:

September 1968--Yankee slugger Mickey Mantle came to bat, mired in a four week homerless slump. The end of Mantle's final baseball season was approaching, and he needed just one home ran to move into third place on the all-time, list. Mantle belted a shot into the upper deck off Tigers pitcher Denny McLain. McLain later admitted he threw Mantle an easy pitch.

April 1994--San Antonio Spurs center David Robinson needed to score more than 70 against the Los Angeles Clippers to capture the National Basketball Association scoring title. Spurs coach John Lucas instructed Robinson's teammates to foul the Clippers to stop the game clock. That gave Robinson more time to score. He finished with 71 points and won the scoring title.

October 1997--Sixty-nine-year-old Gordie Howe skated for 47 seconds in an International Hockey League game so that he could become the only player to play professional hockey in each of six decades. Howe, didn't even touch the puck once. Howe's actual playing career had ended 18 years earlier, in 1980.