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BillyMac Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:11pm

Brain Surgery It's Not ...
 
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 543141)
What is really so hard about this rule? If the double foul happens:
  • during a free throw or throw-in, you resume with the free throw or throw-in;
  • after a foul or violation, then you resume by administering the penalty for the foul or violation;
  • while the ball's in play and there's team control, then you simply give a throw-in to the team in control;
  • when there is no team control, and there's no way to know who would've gotten the ball, then -- and only then -- you go to the arrow.
It's actually really simple. Just ask yourself, "What would've happened if the whistle had not blown?" If you answer that you don't know, then go to the arrow. Otherwise, just do what you were going to do next anyway.

Nice. Did you sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

Scrapper1 Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:02am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 543164)
Look how many different situations we would eliminate from the rules if we just went to a jump ball;

You're right. We would eliminate 4 very easily remembered situations from the rules. We would also give the defense a chance for an extra possession that they really don't deserve (since both teams fouled).

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we would not have so many rules in the book that cause such stupid rulings.
I simply disagree that this is a stupid ruling. How is simply continuing the game from where it left off stupid? I really just don't understand your objection to this.

fiasco Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:46pm

I stand corrected! Thanks for the help.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Oct 15, 2008 04:05pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 543238)
You're right. We would eliminate 4 very easily remembered situations from the rules. We would also give the defense a chance for an extra possession that they really don't deserve (since both teams fouled).

I simply disagree that this is a stupid ruling. How is simply continuing the game from where it left off stupid? I really just don't understand your objection to this.


Scrapper1:

The game was played for many many years before with no ill effect with POI and AP. I am not against progress, far from it. I just do not believe in making changes just to make changes or making changes without actually analyzing how those changes affect the entire game. The only thing that has changed about the game in the last 50 years is the skill and size of players. The game today could be played under rules that were in place 50 years ago and it would be just as enjoyable now as it was then.

MTD, Sr.

Scrapper1 Wed Oct 15, 2008 09:02pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 543359)
The game was played for many many years before with no ill effect with POI and AP. . . . The game today could be played under rules that were in place 50 years ago and it would be just as enjoyable now as it was then.

That could very well be true. But that doesn't make the POI definition a stupid ruling. The POI for double fouls and accidental whistles is a vast improvement over using a jump ball for such situations. Just continue the game where you left off. That makes perfect sense to me. Much more sense than literally putting the ball up for grabs.


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