JrHigh Girls game - Backcourt violation
 

I was lead, and we had a throw-in near the division line.

A2 received throw-in, straddling the division line. Being pressured she pivoted on her front court foot, lifted her free foot and put in back down in the back court. Without dribbling, she passed to a teammate and play continued.

Shortly thereafter, we had a full time and I mentioned to partner that *we* missed a backcourt violation, but I was told that all "three-points" had not touched in the front court, so it wasn't a violation.

So, what did he say after the game when you showed him the rule and case play.

Your partners need reminded that the "3-point" rule only applies to a dribbler. :)

Where was the B coach?:confused:

-or better yet-

Why didn't B coach drag out his rule book?:eek:

JrHigh Girls game - Backcourt violation :D

Coach B was five (5) feet from the throw-in.

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It seems to me that not all coaches, particularly at lower levels, have access to all books.

Partner is a smart guy. I'm sure he owns it.

Sooooo...did you just stand there and give him your best "I really can't believe you just said that" look??? That usually works pretty well - they figure out their own mistake pretty quickly.

I know, I should wait til I get home and look up rule and case play...........do you have it? Want to memorize it should I get called on it.

Because only Coach P does that. :)

SECTION 4 BALL LOCATION, AT DISPOSAL
ART. 1 . . . A ball which is in contact with a player or with the court is in the backcourt if either the ball or the player (either player if the ball is touching more than one) is touching the backcourt.
ART. 2 . . . A ball which is in contact with a player is in the frontcourt if neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt.
ART. 3 . . . A ball which is in flight retains the same location as when it was last in contact with a player or the court.

ART. 4 . . . A ball which touches a player or an official is the same as the ball touching the floor at that individual's location.
ART. 5 . . . A ball which touches the front faces or edges of the backboard is treated the same as touching the floor inbounds, except that when the ball touches the thrower's backboard it does not constitute a part of a dribble.
ART. 6 . . . During a dribble from backcourt to frontcourt, the ball is in the frontcourt when the ball and both feet of the dribbler touch the court entirely in the frontcourt.

BACKCOURT – FRONTCOURT – BALL LOCATION
4.4.1 SITUATION: As Team A is advancing the ball from its backcourt toward its frontcourt, A1 passes the ball to A2. A2 catches the ball while both feet are on the floor – with one foot on either side of the division line. In this situation, either foot may be the pivot foot. (a) A2 lifts the foot which is in the backcourt and then puts it back on the floor in the backcourt; or (b) A2 lifts the foot which is in the frontcourt, pivots and puts it on the floor in the backcourt. RULING: In (a), it is a backcourt violation. When A2, while holding the ball, lifts the foot which was in the backcourt, the ball is now in the frontcourt. When A2's foot then touches in the backcourt, it is a violation. In (b), when A2 lifts the foot which is in the frontcourt and places it down in the backcourt, the location of the ball has not changed. The ball is still in the backcourt and no violation has occurred. (4-35-2)

Thanks...............I'm assuming you have athletic rules study software which enables you to cut and paste rules, case plays? If so, question. I have on PC at home and want to download to laptop. I can't get a hold of these people, tried emailing with no response and can't find web site.

I am not sure what happened to them. Maybe Nevadaref could help, he's cutting & pasting all the time.

AFAIK, they are out of business (or at least they no longer manufacture the product)

As I understand it, the NFHS opted not to renew the contract they had with ARS, which left ARS without a product. Additionally, I believe the product/service the NFHS was working on that would have competed with ARS, never actually materialized. :(

Too bad, it's a great product and to get back to the OP, it's an easy tool to reference sitches like the above. I just want to have on my laptop!:(

The NFHS now has the rules and case books available as .pdf files in the member content section of the web site. Perhaps you could get your hands on these.

Nah, if its a JH girl's game, just call a held ball. It'll blend in with 85% of the rest of the game.

"Free" Rules ...
 

http://nfhs.eofficials.com/nfhs/rule...owse&bid=38017

http://www.mtboa.org/rules/

Anybody have any other sources of "free" rules on the internet?

These rules are now 2 years old ('06-'07).

These specifically say "Reprinted with permission of the National Federation of State High School Associations. This material is not to be resold or remarketed." I wonder how they got that permission. I was under the impression that the NFHS never gave such permission, since the rulebooks are their primary source of income.

Thanks Billy.............easier to search on than downloadable PDF from NFHS that a fellow ref sent me.

MTBOA is terrific with an all in one rules/ videos , quizzes.

Get a flashdrive. Copy the files from your PC to that and then plug the flashdrive into your laptop and load the files to its harddrive.

Thanks..........!

The More Things Change, The More They Stay The Same ...
 

Hey. Some rules never change. These are from the 1891-92 Rule Book, and are 117 years old.

1. The ball may be thrown in any direction with one or both hands.
2. The ball may be batted in any direction with one or both hands (never with the fist).
3. A player cannot run with the ball. The player must throw it from the spot on which he catches it.
5. No shouldering, holding, pushing, tripping, or striking in any way the person of an opponent shall be allowed; the infringement of this rule by any player shall count as a foul.
8. A goal shall be made when the ball is thrown or batted from the grounds into the basket, providing those defending the goal do not touch or disturb the goal. If the ball rests on the edges, and the opponent moves the basket, it shall count as a goal.
9. The thrower-in is allowed five seconds; if he holds it longer, it shall go to the opponent.
13. The side making the most goals in that time shall be declared the winner.

I Hear That He Gave Dr. Naismith His First Technical Foul, It's True ...
 

The book is probably up in Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.'s attic, so he can check it out for us. I think that 1891-92 was the first year that he officiated?

What is shouldering and what's the sign for it?

Shouldering ???
 

Ask Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. I'm sure, back in the day, he used this signal quite a bit.