which basket is which?

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

All I wanted to know was if you shot into your own basket or the opponents'. Now 30 replies and 400 views later, we've started an international incident?!!?!??!

In honor of the 10th anniversary of the famous quote:

http://www.wavsource.com/news/get_along.wav

[devdog69]

I agree with the "World Champion" take, it never seemed quite right to me, and the argument that they are all coming to the NBA to play floats like a lead balloon, it says way more about the ridiculous amounts of jack being thrown at the players than it does about the quality of play. I do believe that they are the best teams in the world, but to assume that makes an... And some of us are a little testy with Oz's comments, almost like when someone actually suggests that a fellow official has made a mistake..GASP....

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by A Pennsylvania Coach
All I wanted to know was if you shot into your own basket or the opponents'. Now 30 replies and 400 views later, we've started an international incident?!!?!??!

In honor of the 10th anniversary of the famous quote:

http://www.wavsource.com/news/get_along.wav

Coach my posting of May 01st answered your question and I will post it again:

NFHS, NCAA, and NBA/WNBA: A team attempts to throw the ball into its basket.

FIBA: A team attempts to throw the ball into its opponents basket.


As far as the international incident, I believe that our NBA Champions would win the FIBA World Championship hands down. But that is not the point.

I have to defend Oz on general principles. Western civilization owes it survival to the U.S.A and the four major countries of the British Empire (Great Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand). Time and time again, it is these five countries that come to the rescue of western civilization at a great price to their own citizens to make sure that totalitarian states do not over run this planet and that the values of freedom that we cherish do not vanish.

My father spent 42 months in the Pacific Theater and said that the Aussies were great people, and he sincerely meant that.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
I have to defend Oz on general principles. Western civilization owes it survival to the U.S.A and the four major countries of the British Empire (Great Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand).

So why don't they join with us in using NF and NCAA and NBA rules, instead of following the lead of the Euros who are, for the most part, ungrateful jerks who wouldn't know how basketball should really be played if it jumped up from the Maginot line and bit them in the hiney.

BTW - much as it pains me to say it, we would have had a really tough time in WWII without the Soviets. We should at least give credit where credit is due. Plus - they make great salad dressing.

My father spent 42 months in the Pacific Theater and said that the Aussies were great people, and he sincerely meant that.

So, who said they weren't? They just need to get un-metricized.

Also BTW - wasn't it Noel Coward who said that America and Great Britian are two countries separated by a common language?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

As I have stated before, if one would just take the time to read NFHS/NCAA, FIBA, and NBA/WNBA rules books, one would be very suprised at home much the rules are the same.

I officiate 99.99% of my games using NFHS/NCAA Men's & Women's rules (and even officiated women's college using NAGWS rules, and boy were the rules fun). I am a USA Basketball Referee, and the only time I had the chance to officiate games using those rules, a serious neck injury kept me from officiating. I have never officiatied a game using NBA/WNBA rules, but it is nice to have a familiarity with them to understand how and why the rules come to be.

I think that an official who is so close minded to the point of ridiculing instead of trying to make a constructive contribution to the discussion does a disservice to our profession as well as to himself.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
I think that an official who is so close minded to the point of ridiculing instead of trying to make a constructive contribution to the discussion does a disservice to our profession as well as to himself.

Gee - you wouldn't be referring to anyone in particular, would you?

I suggest you open a dictionary and look up the word "satire".

In the immortal words of Attila The Hun, "lighten up".

BTW - what do Garfield The Cat and Attila The Hun have in common? They have the same middle name.

NYUK, NYUK, NYUK.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

...
BTW - much as it pains me to say it, we would have had a really tough time in WWII without the Soviets. We should at least give credit where credit is due. Plus - they make great salad dressing.

Yeah, I just love that French dressing...

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Yeah, I just love that French dressing...

I agree that the citizens of the USSR suffered greatly during WW2 but be made a deal with the Devil by having Stalin as an ally. Stalin and Hitler we equally evil (oh how I hated to use that word).

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
I agree that the citizens of the USSR suffered greatly during WW2 but be made a deal with the Devil by having Stalin as an ally.

After the Germans broke their non-agression pact with the Russians, the attack on Stalingrad resulted in a devastating loss of men and material for the Axis, which helped us in the European invasion. The mistake we made was political and was partly caused by FDR's misguided admiration for Stalin as a great leader.

Maybe we should have listened to Patton and turned east after VE Day and kept fighting. Sure would have saved a lot of grief - plus, the Blazers may have had Sabonis earlier when he still had knees.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

After the Germans broke their non-agression pact with the Russians, the attack on Stalingrad resulted in a devastating loss of men and material for the Axis, which helped us in the European invasion. The mistake we made was political and was partly caused by FDR's misguided admiration for Stalin as a great leader.

Maybe we should have listened to Patton and turned east after VE Day and kept fighting. Sure would have saved a lot of grief - plus, the Blazers may have had Sabonis earlier when he still had knees.

I agree with your assement and we should have listened to Patton.

[Oz Referee]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Personally, I don't think appreciate your remarks about our country. Poking fun at the Metric System or a basketball association is one thing. You don't read any remarks from us about Australia. Of course, we can start.

1- For your information, it's George W. Bush. You may think it's fun to joke about him but he's held our country together over the past 8 months. Who's the President of Australia right now, hmmmm?
2- There are people with different opinions everywhere. It's a very, very small percentage of Americans who would support teachers having guns. But whether we agree with it or not, they have a right to express that view.
3- World Champions are the best at what they do. Considering that the NBA Champion is the best basketball team in the world, why shouldn't they be considered World Champions? Or haven't you noticed that the players in the world outside of the USA are coming to the NBA to play?

You may not like us, but the world would be a hell of a place without us.

[Edited by BktBallRef on May 3rd, 2002 at 11:28 AM]

For crying out loud - lighten up a little, don't get so carried away with your own importance. My comments were intended to be good natured digs at a couple of the things that I personally (and many people I know) find amusing about the USA. To clarify:

1. Yes Bush Jnr has done a fantastic job under difficult circumstances - that doesn't take anything away from the fact that he also made some of the most ridiculous comments pre-election.

2. I didn't say that all Americans support the NRA, nor do I have a problem with those that do. I simply find it amusing that some people seem to think the best solution for students with guns is more guns.

3. Regardless of whether the NBA is the strongest competition in the world or not, the NBA Champions are NOT World Champions. By definition World Champions are those that have defeated teams that represent other nations. Yes any NBA team would possibly defeat any national team, and Team USA is the current Senior Men's World Champion - however the Los Angeles Lakers (or any other NBA team) are not (and never will be) the World Champions.


For those that took offence at my attempt at humour - I appologise, however I really do feel that you need to lighten up a little.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Oz Referee
3. Regardless of whether the NBA is the strongest competition in the world or not, the NBA Champions are NOT World Champions. By definition World Champions are those that have defeated teams that represent other nations.

Maybe I'm taking myself a little too seriously but exactly which definition might you be citing here? Where is it written that a World Champion must defeat teams that represent other nations?

Suppose no other nation fields a team that participates in a certain sport. Then wouldn't the champion of whatever nation holds the competition be considered the World Champion? This would be the situation in the earliest days of baseball when the "World Series" was born. The winner was the World Champion simply b/c there were no other participants.

Or again, suppose that they come up with a format for the World Championships that pits the NBA Champions against the Olympic champions (and just for the illustration, suppose that the Toronto Raptors don't exist). The Lakers win the NBA playoffs and the US team wins the Olympics. The Lakers beat up on the Olympic team. Wouldn't the Lakers then be entitled to call themselves World Champions, even tho they never played a team from a foreign country?

I agree that in our day and age, it may be presumptuous to refer to any American champion as the "World Champion". However, it's not wrong "by definition" as you claim.

Remember, I stuck up for you earlier in this thread!!!

Chuck

[Edited by ChuckElias on May 5th, 2002 at 06:33 PM]

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by Oz Referee
For those that took offence at my attempt at humour

I don't recognize some of your words. Did you mean "For those that took offense at my attempt at humor ?

Why the metric spelling?

Or - are those words just Australian for beer?

[Oz Referee]

Chuck - I see your point, if America was the only place in the World that played basketball, then the US Champions would also be World Champions. My arguement with the describing NBA Champions as World Champions is that they do not play anyone else in the world. The response that they are the best in the world is (INMHO) a bit of a cop-out, because they haven't proven it. But thanks for looking out for me before

Mark - by now you should know that all words in Australian mean beer!

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Oz Referee
Chuck - I see your point, if America was the only place in the World that played basketball, then the US Champions would also be World Champions. My arguement with the describing NBA Champions as World Champions is that they do not play anyone else in the world. The response that they are the best in the world is (INMHO) a bit of a cop-out, because they haven't proven it. But thanks for looking out for me before

The issue with the NBA referring to themselves as World Champions goes back to the days when it was the only professional basketball league in the world. I guess they've seen no reason to change that. Cop out? They haven't proven it? I don't think so. I'd put them up against any other team in the world.