NBA Rule?

[Johnny Ringo]

Moving the ball to halfcourt after a timeout ... can this only be done after a made FG? Or after any time out that was preceeded by a violation a missed fg, etc ...

[Nevadaref]

First the option of moving the ball to the frontcourt is only available in the final two minutes of the 4th quarter or during an overtime period.

Basically the rules say that the ball may be moved to the 28' line in the frontcourt after a time-out which follows a made goal by the opponent (FG or FT) OR is taken immediately upon the team gaining possession from its opponent, including from a missed FT or FG attempt.


Here is the actual text of the rule for both 20-second and a regular time-outs:

If a 20-second timeout is requested by the offensive team during the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period and (1) the ball is out-of-bounds in the backcourt (except for a suspension of play), or (2) after securing the ball from a rebound and prior to any advance of the ball, or (3) after the offensive team secures the ball from a change of possession and prior to any advance of the ball, the timeout should be granted. Upon resumption of play, the team granted the timeout shall have the option of putting the ball into play at the 28' hash mark in the frontcourt or at the designated spot out-of-bounds. If the ball is put into play at the hash mark, the ball may be passed into either the frontcourt or backcourt. If it is passed into the backcourt, the team will receive a new 8-second count.



If a regular or mandatory timeout is awarded the offensive team during the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period and (1) the ball is out-of-bounds in the backcourt (except for a suspension of play), or (2) after securing the ball from a rebound and prior to any advance of the ball, or (3) after securing the ball from a change of possession and prior to any advance of the ball, the timeout shall be granted. Upon resumption of play, the team granted the timeout shall have the option of putting the ball into play at the 28' hash mark in the frontcourt, or at the designated spot out-of-bounds. If the ball is put into play at the hash mark, the ball may be passed into either the frontcourt or backcourt. If the ball is passed into the backcourt, the team will receive a new 8-second count. However, once the ball is (1) thrown in from out-of-bounds, or (2) dribbled or passed after receiving it from a rebound or a change of possession, the timeout shall be granted, and, upon resumption of play, the ball shall be in-bounded on the side- line where play was interrupted. The time on the game clock and the 24-second clock shall remain as when the timeout was called. In order for the option to be available under the conditions in paragraph #2 above, the offensive team must call two successive timeouts.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Moving the ball to halfcourt after a timeout ... can this only be done after a made FG? Or after any time out that was preceeded by a violation a missed fg, etc ...

This is a also a FIBA ruling and it provides for some excellent endings!

FIBA Ruling:

In the last two minutes of the game, a team entitled to a backcourt throw-in, due to any reason, can use a TO to move the throw-in to the division line, opposite the table. They can throw the ball in to either the backcourt or the frontcourt - this is not a "frontcourt throw-in".

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Moving the ball to halfcourt after a timeout ... can this only be done after a made FG? Or after any time out that was preceeded by a violation a missed fg, etc ...

I may hate this rule more than any other in sports. In fact, now that NFL got rid of the force-out rule I'm sure this is now my least favorite rule.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I may hate this rule more than any other in sports. In fact, now that NFL got rid of the force-out rule I'm sure this is now my least favorite rule.

Still not as bad as allowing coaches to call a timeout during a live ball with the clock running.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Still not as bad as allowing coaches to call a timeout during a live ball with the clock running.

Dumbest rule ever...and the one that invariably causes us the most headaches.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Since we're getting closer to the start of the season, I'll go ahead and say it. Under NF rules, coaches cannot call timeouts. They can only request them. Sorry, Scrappy Do. I'm not picking on you, just letting the newbies know they should use the correct terminology. Plus - we want them to learn that just because a coach requests a timeout doesn't mean the coach is entitled to one at that time (the other team could be in team control, for example), therefore there's a specific distinction between calling and requesting timeouts.

Scrappy Doo must be a JV official. An official with some experience wouldn't make that mistake.







KIDDING!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Since we're getting closer to the start of the season, I'll go ahead and say it. Under NF rules, coaches cannot call timeouts. They can only request them. Sorry, Scrappy Do. I'm not picking on you, just letting the newbies know they should use the correct terminology. Plus - we want them to learn that just because a coach requests a timeout doesn't mean the coach is entitled to one at that time (the other team could be in team control, for example), therefore there's a specific distinction between calling and requesting timeouts.

Technicaly correct, but do I really care? There are a lot more important things to worry about.

With one implied word, they are the same....

"Calling [for] a timeout" is equivalent to "Requesting a timeout".

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Since we're getting closer to the start of the season, I'll go ahead and say it.

Please don't. It's irrelevant. It's not like "over the back", which perpetuates a gross misunderstanding of the rules. Does it really make any difference whether the coach "requests" it and we grant it or the coach "calls" it and we grant it? Either way, he's not getting it till we grant it. There's no misunderstanding about that.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

First the option of moving the ball to the frontcourt is only available in the final two minutes of the 4th quarter or during an overtime period.

Basically the rules say that the
ball may be moved to the 28' line in the frontcourt after a time-out which follows a made goal by the opponent (FG or FT) OR is taken immediately upon the team gaining possession from its opponent, including from a missed FT or FG attempt.


Here is the actual text of the rule for both 20-second and a regular time-outs:

If a 20-second timeout is requested by the offensive team during the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period and (1) the ball is out-of-bounds in the backcourt (except for a suspension of play), or (2) after securing the ball from a rebound and prior to any advance of the ball, or (3) after the offensive team secures the ball from a changee of possession and prior to any advance of the ball, the timeout should be granted. Upon resumption of play, the team granted the timeout shall have the option of putting the ball into play at the 28' hash mark in the frontcourt or at the designated spot out-of-bounds. If the ball is put into play at the hash mark, the ball may be passed into either the frontcourt or backcourt. If it is passed into the backcourt, the team will receive a new 8-second count.




If a regular or mandatory timeout is awarded the offensive team during the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period and (1) the ball is out-of-bounds in the backcourt (except for a suspension of play), or (2) after securing the ball from a rebound and prior to any advance of the ball, or (3) after securing the ball from a change of possession and prior to any advance of the ball, the timeout shall be granted. Upon resumption of play, the team granted the timeout shall have the option of putting the ball into play at the 28' hash mark in the frontcourt, or at the designated spot out-of-bounds. If the ball is put into play at the hash mark, the ball may be passed into either the frontcourt or backcourt. If the ball is passed into the backcourt, the team will receive a new 8-second count. However, once the ball is (1) thrown in from out-of-bounds, or (2) dribbled or passed after receiving it from a rebound or a change of possession, the timeout shall be granted, and, upon resumption of play, the ball shall be in-bounded on the side- line where play was interrupted. The time on the game clock and the 24-second clock shall remain as when the timeout was called. In order for the option to be available under the conditions in paragraph #2 above, the offensive team must call two successive timeouts.

Just to correct a few things that he said. You can advance to the FC in OT but only under 2 min.

Also you may advance the ball after a violation as well as a made or missed field goal. You may not try to "advance" the ball though In regards to missed field goals, once the rebound is secured you may not dribble it or pass it or else the option will not be available during the first TO. You will have to take successive time outs to regain the option.

I like this rule. It makes for exciting end of game situations. If we don't have that rule then we would not have gotten to see plays like the Paul pierce/Brent Barry play in the playoffs this year.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Still not as bad as allowing coaches to call a timeout during a live ball with the clock running.

Amen.

Call
Pronunciation: \ˈkȯl\
Function: verb
To speak in a loud distinct voice so as to be heard at a distance : shout to make a request : to utter in a loud distinct voice.

Enough. Please.

When a coach, or player, speaks "time out" in a loud distinct voice so as to be heard at a distance, or when a coach, or player, shouts "time out" making a request for a time out, or when a coach, or player utters "time out" in a loud distinct voice, in all three cases they are calling time out, and if the ball is in control or at the disposal of a player of his/her team, or the ball is dead, unless replacement of a disqualified, or injured player(s), or a player directed to leave the game is pending, and a substitute(s) is available and required, then I'm granting them a time out.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Please don't. It's irrelevant. It's not like "over the back", which perpetuates a gross misunderstanding of the rules. Does it really make any difference whether the coach "requests" it and we grant it or the coach "calls" it and we grant it? Either way, he's not getting it till we grant it. There's no misunderstanding about that.

I agree. The coach can call, yell, say, signal, request....a timeout. Unless someone says the coach granted himself a timeout then there shouldn't be a problem.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by LDUB

Unless someone says the coach granted himself a timeout then there shouldn't be a problem.

I agree. I don't mind nit-picking about some of the language in the rules, or not in the rules, like "over the back", "reaching in", "moving screen, "basketball interference" versus "goal tending", nor do I mind some of the more literate Forum members clearing up some spelling, or grammar problems, but this "call", or "request", debate has outlived its usefulness, and has gone on for way too long. Lets' just all agree that a coach, or player, if the ball is in control or at the disposal of a player of his/her team, or the ball is dead, unless replacement of a disqualified, or injured player(s), or a player directed to leave the game is pending, and a substitute(s) is available and required, can call a time out, request a time out, or call to request a time out, that may, or may not, be granted by the official depending on the situation.

Furthermore, the NFHS uses language that includes "call a time out" in its own casebook:

4.44.5 Situation B: A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control. A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without violating? Ruling: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or call a time-out. Once A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over. If flat on his/her back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises and is first to touch the ball. (4-44-5b)

Please note that the case book play does not state "request a timeout", nor does it say that the timeout is automatically granted.

[Adam]

It kind of reminds me of something, now what is it?

Oh yeah, the debate over whether you say "take off the earrings if you want to play" or "you can't play with the earrings."

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It kind of reminds me of something, now what is it? Oh yeah, the debate over whether you say "take off the earrings if you want to play" or "you can't play with the earrings."

Touché.