Shooting sleeves
 

Has anyone seen or heard the rule interpretation regarding these? I know the NFHS have ruled them illiegal for cross-country. Maybe this has alreday been addressed and I missed it. If so, I apologize for the duplication.

Is it for a medical purpose? If not, it has to go.

That is what I thought. I was just thinking about all the little wannabes that will be wearing them this year after seeing them in the Olympics. Therefore, if you have a doctor's note then ok, otherwise leave it in the locker room, correct?:)

It may vary so check with your association... 'round here we've been instructed to ask the coach if it's for medical purposes & if he says "yes" then we play ball. No doc note required.

They have been wearing them since Alan Iverson made them popular.

Also we are not to ask for a doctor's note (unless you are told otherwise by your local associations) for these things. We assume they are for medical purposes and move on. These devices are not considered adornments or decorative items so we just assume they are using them for those reasons and we allow them.

Peace

I understand that situation. I was just wondering if there had been a change in view since the NFHS has ruled them adornments for cross-county. I know, I know, this is basketball not cross-country, but god forbid that we apply logic in these circumstances.

Not at this point. Cross-Country is mostly a fall sport so I am sure they meet or get requests right before their season. It is always possible for Basketball to change their position, but there is no indication at this time that is going to happen. I am a little surprised because the NF likes to be consistent with rules like this across the board especially on issues like what is allowed to wear outside of the uniform.

Peace

Thanks! I guess we will just wait and see what happens.

One more example of "I don't want to be the fashion police anymore." Braces, etc I'm fine with checking to make sure they conform, but I'm tired of stuff like this.

How is that any different than being the traveling police? As an official you have duties to preform, some of them include watching for traveling and other violations as well as making sure that the players' equipment is legal.

It's different because missing a foul or a violation or misapplying a rule could have a huge impact on the game in a key situation.

Such is not the case when dealing with a kid wearing a head band that's the wrong color.

That's why it's different.

I Don't Need No Stinking Badge ...
 

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I agree that missing a foul or violation is not the same as dealing with a kid wearing the wrong color headband, but I disagree with the part about it not impacting the game. Here's a once in a lifetime scenario:

A-1, the best foul shooter in the league, is one the line for a one-and-one with 0.3 seconds left in the game, his team down one point.
Team A has no remaining time outs.
Coach B points out to the officials that A-1, whose uniform is white, is wearing a blue headband, and he wants him removed from the game, to remove his headband, and to sit out a tick as the rules state.

Do you ignore Coach B's request completely, allow A-1 to wear the headband, and to shoot the free throw(s)?
Do you half-comply with Coach B's request, and simply have A-1 remove the headband, toss it to the bench, and then shoot the free throw(s).
Knowing that Coach B seems to know the rule, he states that another official made one of his players sit out a tick for an untucked jersey a few days ago in a blowout game, do you make A-1 sit a tick?

If I'm the official, I'm probably going with the second option, but I'm not sure that the rules would back me 100%.

What possible medical reason? Stop making excuses and justifying your actions. Either they are legal or not.

A1 is compliant with the rules after simply removing the headband. If the game isn't delayed, A1 also can stay on the floor without penalty or substitution required. There is NO rules justification to have A1 removed from the game. It's no different than discovering a player wearing jewelry on the court.

Iow, that situation <b>doesn't</b> impact the game.

BillyMac thats why you tell the kid in warm ups to take it off. Had a sits this last year wher a kid had a sleve on during warm ups and I asked him if he had a medical reason for the sleve, he pulled it down and showed me about 25 stitches across his elbow. I let him keep the sleve. Secondly the untucked shirt thing you only remove the kid after repeated warnings, thats why you take care of business in the warm ups or as soon as the kid steps on the court not in the last moments of the game, if you warn him to remove an article and he doesnt then you remove him.

The following rule change takes effect in the 2008-09 NCAA season: Uniforms 3-5.13 (new). The use of an arm sleeve, knee sleeve, and lower leg sleeve is permissible for medical reasons but its utilization shall be verified by either the individual’s coach or team medical personnel.

So, the rule will be the same in both HS and college that sleeves can only be worn for medical reasons. Officials should verify that is the case. However, I don't think HS is specific about knee or leg sleeves.

If you know the rule, you'll tell coach B you'll take care of it. Tell A1 to lose the headband quickly and get back to the line. Just because coach B acts like he knows the rule doesn't mean he's right. 2nd option is not just the common sense approach; it's the only approach supported by rule.

I can't see ever making any decision based on the fact that "coach seems to know the rule."

Haste Makes Waste ...
 

Thanks for the correction. This will teach me to not make a quick, unresearched, post before I go to work in the morning. I was thinking about my post all day at work and I knew that it would generate a few "corrections" by the time I got home from work. I think that I was confusing this situation with casebook play 3.4.15 Situation C, and even in that situation, the player gets to take the foul shot before he is removed.

At least, if I were the official in the game, I would have gone with my second option, and simply have A-1 remove the headband, toss it to the bench, and then shoot the free throw(s).

3.4.15 Situation C: B1 fouls A1. Just before A1 goes to the line for a one-and-one, the official observes: (a) A1 either pulls the shirt out of his/her pants; or (b) that A1’s pants are partially below the hips.
Ruling: In both (a) and (b), A1 will be directed to put the shirt in the pants or pull up the pants and must leave the game immediately following his/her last free throw(s). The lane is cleared and it will be B’s ball for a throw-in, whether or not the last free throw is successful.

This has been discussed here before. Somebody pointed out that if the player did not shoot the free throws in this situation, then all a coach would have to do is tell his weak free throw shooter to pull his shirt out every time he got fouled.

Good Reason For Interpretation ...
 

Good point.