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Doug, when you screw something up, you screw it up BIG!! :D

Chuck

yes, chuck, that is usually the pattern!!

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Originally posted by Doug
charging is illegal personal contact caused by pushing or moving into an opponent's torso.

-a player w/ the ball is required to stop or change direction to avoid contact if a defensive player has obtained a legal gaurding position in the player's path.
-If a gaurd has obtained a legal posision, the player w/ the ball must get teh head and shoulder past the front of the torso of the defensive player. If contact occurs, on the front torso of the defensive player, teh dribbler is responsible for the contact.

i appologize if i confused or bored anyone:) [/B]

There is more to this than just guarding position. Almost always a player with the ball can not initiate contact. Example B2 is defending A2 and has his back to A1. A1 drives for the lane and crashes into B2. It is a charge/PC foul on A1 as B2 is entitled to his space on the floor. Now if B2 would have moved away from A2 and into the path of A1, we have a block.

Also be careful of thinking guarding position means that B1 must be set. B1 must HAVE HAD both feet on the floor. Example B1 after having both feet on the floor when guarding A1 starts to backpedal. A1 picks up the speed of his dribble and moves into B1 while B1 has one foot in the air. Charge on A1.

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Originally posted by RecRef

There is more to this than just guarding position. Almost always a player with the ball can not initiate contact. Example B2 is defending A2 and has his back to A1. A1 drives for the lane and crashes into B2. It is a charge/PC foul on A1 as B2 is entitled to his space on the floor. Now if B2 would have moved away from A2 and into the path of A1, we have a block.

Also be careful of thinking guarding position means that B1 must be set. B1 must HAVE HAD both feet on the floor. Example B1 after having both feet on the floor when guarding A1 starts to backpedal. A1 picks up the speed of his dribble and moves into B1 while B1 has one foot in the air. Charge on A1.

Legal guarding position is to be used in the case of torso
to torso contact between the player with the ball and an
opponent. It requires 2 things initially: 2 feet on the
floor (as you said) and the defender to be facing the
opponent player. I'm not sure I have a PC in the first
play you posted, there is such a thing as incidental
contact. In any event, it almost always turns out in this
situation that the secondary defender B2 has in fact turned
and moved into airborne A1. So in this play I almost always
have a block or a no-call.

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

Quote:

Originally posted by RecRef

There is more to this than just guarding position. Almost always a player with the ball can not initiate contact. Example B2 is defending A2 and has his back to A1. A1 drives for the lane and crashes into B2. It is a charge/PC foul on A1 as B2 is entitled to his space on the floor. Now if B2 would have moved away from A2 and into the path of A1, we have a block.

Also be careful of thinking guarding position means that B1 must be set. B1 must HAVE HAD both feet on the floor. Example B1 after having both feet on the floor when guarding A1 starts to backpedal. A1 picks up the speed of his dribble and moves into B1 while B1 has one foot in the air. Charge on A1.

Legal guarding position is to be used in the case of torso
to torso contact between the player with the ball and an
opponent. It requires 2 things initially: 2 feet on the
floor (as you said) and the defender to be facing the
opponent player. I'm not sure I have a PC in the first
play you posted, there is such a thing as incidental
contact. In any event, it almost always turns out in this
situation that the secondary defender B2 has in fact turned
and moved into airborne A1. So in this play I almost always
have a block or a no-call.

Dan,

They took away the torso to torso provision or requirement in order to call a PC foul. At least in NF language. You could "technically" contact a leg or foot and have a PC foul. It was in the POE in 2000-2001 I believe.

Peace