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Old Tue Aug 05, 2008, 03:58pm
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What if both close plays occur on the same end of the court? Should the officials call both plays the same so that both close decisions go against the same team?
Simply put, if you've had 3 of these very close plays (99% the same situation, same timing, same contact) and all were called as a block against green and then when the same thing happens at the other end of the court, it better be a block on white.
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Old Tue Aug 05, 2008, 04:44pm
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Simply put, if you've had 3 of these very close plays (99% the same situation, same timing, same contact) and all were called as a block against green and then when the same thing happens at the other end of the court, it better be a block on white.
Why are you responding to my question with something completely inappropriate? You state, "the same thing happens at the other end of the court..." I specifically asked about using the suggested philosophy of btaylor for a similar play AT THE SAME END of the court.

I want to know if part of his concept of recalling the previous close decision includes predetermining that the next close play ON THE SAME END also has to be called the same and thus go against the same team. Or perhaps he has the opposite idea and if the next close play happens on the same end his concept mandates that the official send it the other way.

I don't know what his position is, so I'm trying to find out.
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Old Tue Aug 05, 2008, 04:53pm
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Why are you responding to my question with something completely inappropriate? You state, "the same thing happens at the other end of the court..." I specifically asked about using the suggested philosophy of btaylor for a similar play AT THE SAME END of the court.

I want to know if part of his concept of recalling the previous close decision includes predetermining that the next close play ON THE SAME END also has to be called the same and thus go against the same team. Or perhaps he has the opposite idea and if the next close play happens on the same end his concept mandates that the official send it the other way.

I don't know what his position is, so I'm trying to find out.
I know what you said, I was reframing the situation to make a point. But just the same, if the same play (as I characterized it above) is a block 3 times on one end of the court, it should not turn into a charge the 4th time....even if they're all on the same end. I just reversed it to the other end of the court to amplify the inflammatory nature of being inconsistent.
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Old Tue Aug 05, 2008, 04:59pm
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if the same play is a block 3 times on one end of the court, it should not turn into a charge the 4th time...

If it happens multiple times, it's not the same play.


The call may or may not be the same.
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Old Tue Aug 05, 2008, 06:22pm
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If it happens multiple times, it's not the same play.


The call may or may not be the same.
What? That makes no sense at all. By definition, if the exact same thing happens multiple times, it is the same play. And yes, the call should be the same every time....becasue if it is no different, there is no reason to call it different.
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Old Tue Aug 05, 2008, 06:45pm
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What? That makes no sense at all. By definition, if the exact same thing happens multiple times, it is the same play. And yes, the call should be the same every time....becasue if it is no different, there is no reason to call it different.

The point is that plays are like snowflakes. No two are exactly alike. Therefore they must be judged individually. The last call has no bearing on the next call.
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Old Tue Aug 05, 2008, 08:21pm
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The point is that plays are like snowflakes. No two are exactly alike. Therefore they must be judged individually. The last call has no bearing on the next call.

If you've got to look that close to tell them apart, they're the same. We don't need to seperate the snowflakes from each other....just from the sleet, hail, rain, meteorites, and dead birds.
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