GPS Play Haven't had one in awhile

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
But tony, you left out "Note 3" from the dribble definition:

". . .It is not a dribble when a player stands still and holds the ball and touches it to the floor once or more than once."

originally posted by mick
Chuck,
When the dribbler touches the ball to the floor, I have always thought the player is not releasing the ball to the floor.
... The player is still holding.
mick

originally posted by crew
i think the key word in the situation is release.

I hate to be a nit-picker, but I would respectfully submit that the key word is "to", as in "release to the floor". Simply releasing the ball is not at issue. A dribble is batting or releasing the ball to the floor. Releasing the ball when the ball is already on the floor is not releasing the ball to the floor. Because of this, it can't be a dribble. So it can't be a double dribble to pick up the ball and start dribbling in this situation.

I still have nothing.

Chuck

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
I still have nothing.

I guess it's me, you, and Dan!

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by tharbert
Dan_Ref - The player is releasing the ball in a way that does not meet the definition of a dribble. Since the player is moving with the ball without dribbling, I have a travel. There is no violation until he picks up the ball. What's the difference between the original question and A1, while standing, tosses the ball in the air, takes two steps, then catches the toss? Either on the floor or in the air, I believe this to be a pass. Mr Ogg's point merely illustrates an outcome of allowing the player put the ball on the floor, move, and recover it without dribbling.

Of course, we have mulled this over for a couple days now. This is better than 20-20 hindsight! If I saw this happen tomorrow, I would probably let it go just from the shock of seeing it happen.

I'm not arguing the merits of the original play, which I
think is BS (and probably a no-call). All I'm saying is
that


A1 releases the ball onto the floor then runs around and receives the ball he has released onto the floor.

looks a lot like a dribble, unless you're saying A1 somehow
catches the ball before it hits the floor. I'm also saying
your argument that it's gotta be illegal because it doesn't
sound right is not very strong. But I'll agree that we've
kicked this around WAY too much, I'll buy you a new hat if
either of us ever see this play happen outside of a
dicsussion forum (or before our 3rd beer at the local bar).

Anyway, it's been fun.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

I guess it's me, you, and Dan!

Great minds think alike! And speaking of unlikely events,
did you feel the earthquake Saturday morning Chuck? We're
about the same distance from the epicenter. Just lasted a
few seconds but it did cause my wall unit to commence
a-shakin'!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

I guess it's me, you, and Dan!

Whatinhell am I?Chopped liver?

[BktBallRef]

Quite honestly, with 5 pages of posts, I had not read all of the "chopped liver!"

However, I will consider you as one of the chosen.

Anyone else think this is nothing?

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Whatinhell am I?Chopped liver?

Pate de Fois Gras, my friend, with extra truffles.

[mick]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Whatinhell am I?Chopped liver?

Well, fellas, when we work together, I'm sure we'll pre-game primaries.

[DrakeM]

I got it figured out.
If this ever happens in a game I'm working,
I'm finding a wet spot, piece of gum, ANYTHING, (made up, or real) so that I can hit the whistle, "my time."
Then I pick up the ball, and as I'm handing it to the thrower,
make a firm suggestion that "if he wants to stay in the game, don't do that s**t again!"

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by DrakeM
I got it figured out.
If this ever happens in a game I'm working,
I'm finding a wet spot, piece of gum, ANYTHING, (made up, or real) so that I can hit the whistle, "my time."
Then I pick up the ball, and as I'm handing it to the thrower,
make a firm suggestion that "if he wants to stay in the game, don't do that s**t again!"

Now that's the best answer yet!

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by DrakeM

I'm finding a wet spot, piece of gum, ANYTHING, (made up, or real) so that I can hit the whistle, "my time."
Then I pick up the ball, and as I'm handing it to the thrower,
make a firm suggestion that "if he wants to stay in the game, don't do that s**t again!"

AAACCKKK!! If you do that while the ball is still on the floor, you have to go to the arrow!!!!!

Chuck

[DrakeM]

No I don't. ELASTIC POWERS!
And if anybody complains, Whack em'!

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
AAACCKKK!! If you do that while the ball is still on the floor, you have to go to the arrow!!!!!

Not true! While there is no player control, there is still team control! It's still A's ball.

[DrakeM]

While I agree that A is still in control, the rule actually doesn't address this specifically.
"A team is in control when a player is holding, dribbling, or passing the ball."
That's why I stated the elastic powers provision.

[ChuckElias]

Doggonit, TH. You caught me again. Man, I hate that

Drake, you noted how team control is established (by holding, dribbling or passing), but Article 3 states that team control continues until :

a. The ball is in flight during a try or tap for goal,
b. An opponent secures control, or
c. The ball becomes dead.

So in our original situation, placing the ball on the floor doesn't fit into any of those categories. So it's still in the control of the team who placed it on the floor. No arrow. Good call, Tony.

chuck