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Johnny Ringo Sun Jul 06, 2008 09:44pm

Question: Who gets the Ball or the arrow?
 
When does a technical foul not follow with the team that shot FTs getting the ball at halfcourt opposite scorer's table?

CLH Sun Jul 06, 2008 09:49pm

When you're playing under NCAA or NBA rules.

Bad Zebra Sun Jul 06, 2008 09:56pm

When it is part of a double technical foul, which results in the ball being put back in play at the point of interruption (in which case there may not be any free throws).

JRutledge Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:02pm

Or at the end of the game (after the horn has blown and officials have not left the visual confines of the court) when a T is given and the FTs decide the outcome of the game.

Peace

Back In The Saddle Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:40pm

Or when it's part of, but not the last part of, some kind of false double foul. Simple example, you have a T on A1 for doing something T'able. While B1 is shooting the free throws, B's coach says something unsporting and gets whacked. Following B's free throws, A will then shoot two and get the ball at midcourt. So B shot two free throws, but did not get the ball.

I'm sure somebody will jump in with a far more interesting and colorful example. :)

Johnny Ringo Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:14am

NFHS ... Team A gets Tech called on them while walking to the locker room after 1st half ...

How do we start second half?

just another ref Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:23am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo
NFHS ... Team A gets Tech called on them while walking to the locker room after 1st half ...

How do we start second half?

Team B gets 2 free throws plus the ball at the division line. Arrow stays where it is.

JRutledge Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo
NFHS ... Team A gets Tech called on them while walking to the locker room after 1st half ...

How do we start second half?

You start the second half by Team B shooting 2 FTs and giving the ball to Team B at the division line, opposite the table.

Peace

Adam Mon Jul 07, 2008 08:25am

One more example.

When the T is the final action of a period. A1 fouls a shooting B1 as time expires. As the official is reporting, A coach earns a T. Shoot the shot(s) for the original foul, then shoot the shots for the T. Next period will begin with an AP throw-in.

cdoug Mon Jul 07, 2008 09:00am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
One more example.

When the T is the final action of a period. A1 fouls a shooting B1 as time expires. As the official is reporting, A coach earns a T. Shoot the shot(s) for the original foul, then shoot the shots for the T. Next period will begin with an AP throw-in.


You shoot the shots for the T before going to the locker room? Why not at the start of the 2nd half?

bob jenkins Mon Jul 07, 2008 09:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdoug
You shoot the shots for the T before going to the locker room? Why not at the start of the 2nd half?

Because the T happened during the first half, not after the half was over.

Adam Mon Jul 07, 2008 09:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdoug
You shoot the shots for the T before going to the locker room? Why not at the start of the 2nd half?

Because, as Bob states, the 1st half has not ended when the T is called. Assuming my scenario takes place at the end of the 2nd quarter, the half (or quarter) does not end until all action has been completed. In my scenario, there are free throws to be shot, and until they have been shot, the first half cannot end.

lukealex Wed Jul 09, 2008 07:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Because, as Bob states, the 1st half has not ended when the T is called. Assuming my scenario takes place at the end of the 2nd quarter, the half (or quarter) does not end until all action has been completed. In my scenario, there are free throws to be shot, and until they have been shot, the first half cannot end.

What about a T after time expires ending the 4th quarter and the game is tied? I seem to think the OT period will be played after the free throws are shot regardless of outcome.

bob jenkins Wed Jul 09, 2008 08:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by lukealex
What about a T after time expires ending the 4th quarter and the game is tied? I seem to think the OT period will be played after the free throws are shot regardless of outcome.

To be technical (ha!) about it, the OT period begins with the administration of the T.

Note that in your play, the 4th quarter had ended. That means that time had expired, and any related activity, such as FTs for a foul that occurred during the 4th quarter, was completed. THEN the T was issued.

In Snaqwell's play, time had expired (in the 2nd quarter), but the FTs had NOT been shot. So, the 2nd quarter was still going when the T was issued -- the T was part of the 2nd quarter, so the T was administered DURING the 2nd quarter.

Adam Wed Jul 09, 2008 09:16am

To assimilate the two plays, consider the following play:
Game is tied with time winding down in the 4th quarter.
A1 shoots with time expiring and is fouled by B1 as the horn sounds. The shot misses. B1 immediately says something about the official's heritage, earning a T.

You'll shoot the T first, followed by A1's shots if necessary.

If this happened with an insurmountable point spread, no shots will be taken but all fouls (and ejections if they are flagrant) will be recorded.


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