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Da Official Thu Jun 19, 2008 06:59am
Hard Foul Question
 
A1 is driving to the goal on a fast break and B1 approaches and commits a hard foul on the layup where B1 swipes wildly and hits A1 in the head. In the opinion of the official, its not enough to warrant a flagrant personal and an ejection but an aggressive act nonetheless.

Under NFHS and NCAA Mens rules, what are our options here?

I am thinking Intentional personal foul or personal foul.

Is there anyway B1 can earn a technical for his action in this case?

Thanks,

Jurassic Referee Thu Jun 19, 2008 07:03am
Your options are a personal foul or an intentional personal foul--straight judgment call. A technical foul of any kind cannot be called on live-ball contact plays like this, by rule.

JugglingReferee Thu Jun 19, 2008 07:53am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Official
A1 is driving to the goal on a fast break and B1 approaches and commits a hard foul on the layup where B1 swipes wildly and hits A1 in the head. In the opinion of the official, its not enough to warrant a flagrant personal and an ejection but an aggressive act nonetheless.

Under NFHS and NCAA Mens rules, what are our options here?

I am thinking Intentional personal foul or personal foul.

Is there anyway B1 can earn a technical for his action in this case?

Thanks,
NFHS:

By the explicit mention of not being a flagrant, and along with the language you used, it is clear that a hard foul [excessive contact] be called. There is no option to issue a technical foul to B1. However, a regular (non-intentional) personal foul can be called.

The penalty for the hard foul is 2 shots with the lane cleared (assuming it's a layup from inside the 3-point line :)) + inbounds throw-in of the ball nearest the foul.

Mark Padgett Thu Jun 19, 2008 08:37am
Quote:
Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
NFHS:

By the explicit mention of not being a flagrant, and along with the language you used, it is clear that a hard foul [excessive contact] be called. There is no option to issue a technical foul to B1. However, a regular (non-intentional) personal foul can be called.

The penalty for the hard foul is 2 shots with the lane cleared (assuming it's a layup from inside the 3-point line :)) + inbounds throw-in of the ball nearest the foul.
Please quote NF rule that uses the term "hard foul". I think you mean an "intentional foul".

JugglingReferee Thu Jun 19, 2008 08:44am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Please quote NF rule that uses the term "hard foul". I think you mean an "intentional foul".
Yyes.

Tio Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:35am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Official
A1 is driving to the goal on a fast break and B1 approaches and commits a hard foul on the layup where B1 swipes wildly and hits A1 in the head. In the opinion of the official, its not enough to warrant a flagrant personal and an ejection but an aggressive act nonetheless.

Under NFHS and NCAA Mens rules, what are our options here?

I am thinking Intentional personal foul or personal foul.

Is there anyway B1 can earn a technical for his action in this case?

Thanks,
Easy intentional foul. There is a play last season where Al Horford hit TJ Ford in the head and was ejected and suspended for the act. Failure to send a strong message only encourages retaliation.

BillyMac Thu Jun 19, 2008 06:48pm
4-19-3
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Please quote NF rule that uses the term "hard foul". I think you mean an "intentional foul".
4-19-3: An intentional foul is a personal or technical foul which neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position. Contact away from the ball or when not making a legitimate attempt to play the ball or a player, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting, shall be intentional. Intentional fouls may or may not be premeditated and are not based solely on the severity of the act. A foul also shall be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a player causes excessive contact with an opponent.

Jurassic Referee Thu Jun 19, 2008 07:54pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac
Intentional fouls may or may not be premeditated and <font color = red>are not based solely on the severity of the act</font>. A foul also shall be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a player causes excessive contact with an opponent.
That was Mark's point, Billy. You highlighted the wrong phrase. Hard fouls do not necessarily equate to excessive(or flagrant) contact.

JoeTheRef Fri Jun 20, 2008 01:43pm
Originally Posted by BillyMac
Intentional fouls may or may not be premeditated and are not based solely on the severity of the act. A foul also shall be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a player causes excessive contact with an opponent

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
That was Mark's point, Billy. You highlighted the wrong phrase. Hard fouls do not necessarily equate to excessive(or flagrant) contact.
Thank you!! Hopefully those who immediately wanted to call an intentional can grasp that concept.


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