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Yea, like he's got a lot of credibility.

Just the same, this kind of cr@p is what fans want to hear...the fix is in...the ref had it in for us. It'll be interesting to see if it goes any further.

This is horse bleep...true or not, it just feeds the public perception and THAT sucks!

I will say this though....David Stern repsonded on ESPN and some of his answers were choppy and seemed like he didn't really believe what he was saying. Could have been that he was sincere and answering off the cuff with out a prepaired statement but if if somebody is not guilty I would think their answers would have been a bit more precise....Makes me wonder if Tim Doneghy(sp) is not telling the truth at least in part.... :o

I have zero confidence in the convicted felon. A conspiracy by the NBA to ensure a game 7 would certainly have come out somewhere. The potential downside should it come out is so massive and devastating that no sane organization would take the risk. Not when the reward is one more game's revenue. Stern is nothing if not calculating, and if he was considering something this nefarious, he would have certainly thought of the colossal risk with a very high probability of coming to fruition.

Until more evidence comes out, I'm taking this for what it is. Desperate anomisity from a convicted felon attempting to lash out at the NBA and reduce his sentence.

This was the topic of discussion on local talk radio last night, as you might imagine, this being Jazz country and all. And, of course, they dragged out all the most cherished conspiracy theories about the NBA. The biggest being that the NBA always tries to ensure two big market teams make it to the finals, preferably Boston and L.A.

Except that Boston and L.A. haven't been to the finals in what...the past 23 years until now? Which makes that a pretty impotent conspiracy if it exists.

I'll buy that the league promotes and protects the stars. The NBA is a business and nobody pays for season tickets to watch Kobe sitting on the bench with 4 fouls or an injury. But there are just too many variables involved, too many players who are in it only for themselves, and too few consistently "predictable" outcomes for the league and its officials to be exercising the kind of control over the game that so many conspiracy theorists cry about.

I'm betting (no pun intended) that our friend has a book deal in the works and is laying ground work for an "expose" of some kind.

Whether we believe Timmy or not...the KINGS GOT SCREWED in game 6 of that series.

...ok...ok...I bleed purple & black. I just had to rant a bit. :)

1. who in the world would trade Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol? :confused:
2. KG and Allen to Boston?
3. Chicago Bulls with 1.5% chance of winning the lottery (3rd biggest market in the league)
4. Last yr NBA final rating is lowest all all time!!!!

That was my senior year of high school and there were quite a few angry Kings fans in school after that series was over. Most I'm sure believe that the game was fixed so this will probably just validate their "theory". :rolleyes:

If he's lying and if he makes these exact same claims under oath, he's committing perjury. Although he's a felon and has lost almost all credibility, I think he's being truthful.

For those that don't know, jimpiano only posts here when he can find something negative about officiating to stir the sh!tstorm. Just be aware.

Something does smell funny...

I also like the Crosby to Pittsburg story. I think the league had its mitts in that one.

Yabut :D, he does have the right to speak his mind because America is the greatest democracy. But the jig is up, and the truth is out there, we found out his modus operandi. :D

Actually my Canadian friend, no he doesn't.

This is a privately owned website. We all post here at the behest and courtesy of RightSports, Inc. RightSports is not the US Government. Therefore, they can edit/delete/censor any remarks or ban any of us completely if they choose to. There is no RIGHT to post here.

C'est vrai. I forgot. Thanks!

I can attest to this fact. :D

And the odds of Boston slipping to last in the lottery?

He only risks perjury if he actually goes to court to testify about it; and if his testimony is demonstrably false.

By making claims that amount to his word against someone else's, for which there is no documentation either way, he's not really risking perjury charges.

There is no reason to believe him; unless you really want to.

dont know, but the math of 1.5 percent is 1,000 x 0.015 :D

If the NBA was rigged, why would they have let SA play Cleveland in the finals last year? And only let it go four games?

If it was rigged, why did PORTLAND and MILWAUKEE (tiny markets) win the two lotteries before that?

People will see whatever they want to see. Bottom line is no way a huge organization like the NBA could keep something like a major fix secret, and they have too much to lose.

As you said, they learned from last year's mistake (low rating) of not wanting the fans to see SA and Cleveland play again. Cleveland and SA would would be fine because of Lebron and Eva Longoria. :D

As for Milwaukee, they can have three Andrew Boguts and still not make the playoffs!!!

I never said the NBA is rigged, but there sure are a lot of CONSPIRACIES out there that allow many to think so.

Probably what Roger Clemens thought, too.

How long would YOU let that series last? :D

They could have a dozen donuts, er, I mean Boguts, and still not make the playoffs.

Ya' know, even if the NBA rigged all the games to get higher ratings, I still wouldn't watch it, unless there was a halftime strip show featuring Eva Longoria Parker.

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/eva_lon...73-290x284.jpg

The better analogy is to Mcnamee. His credibility is limited. He's made accusations that are refuted by the accused, in what started out as mere "he said, he said."

The difference, though, is that there may in fact be evidence which supports his accusations. I think it's a stained dress or something.

If Donaghy is able to provide evidence, or gets lucky enough to have someone else find some, that supports his acertion; all bets are off.

Jose Conseco?

HOT!!!!!:p

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/5216488a3b

Eva's sex tape for all you perverts!

Might even be a better analogy if Donaghy comes out with a book.

Not to chase this rabbit trail, but McNamee's credibility is actually higher than Clemens' IMO.

For one thing, McNamee did not have to name Clemens. For another, he was given immunity ONLY IF he told the truth, so the penalty for McNamee to falsely accuse Clemens is much higher than a mere perjury charge.

And, third, Clemens has been caught in several lies already associated with his denials.

I'm not sure what to think about Donaghy or the NBA. I'm not a fan of the NBA and therefore don't follow it closely at all.

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That's not necessarily true. First, he can be signing an affidavit. Second, in addition to perjury, there's the False Statements Act which covers lying to a federal law enforcement agency. Trust me when I say he is NOT lying. He's not looking at a very long sentence as it is (maybe 24 months). If he's dumb enough to lie and commit one or two other felonies, he will easily double or triple his sentence. His statements may be designed to lessen his sentence, but there is a small chance of that vs. a very big chance of extending it if they charge him with additional felonies.

Further, his lawyers are submitting his statement in a court filing. This isn't testimony on the stand that he just said, without preparation or rehearsal. His lawyers would know if this stuff isn't true and aren't going to risk their license by filing a false affidavit. If he had blurted a lie out in court, that's one thing. Filing a brief with evidence attached is completely different.

David Stern knows he isn't lying and would parade the officials who called that game in front of ESPN for a breakdown of the plays if needed. He won't do that since he thinks the NBA's circus is a well kept secret.

Based on what I have so far read, he did not make any substantive claim. He did not offer evidence or why the officials had the incentive to fix a game, like how much they got paid or who told them to fix the game. To say that he is not because a lawyer is apart of this and claiming that Donaghy could not be lying is a stretch IMO. Donaghy was not even on the game. Also one of the officials that are accused of fixing that game is a former cop that dealt with people in the mop and put people away that were felons. You have to do more than just say, "They fixed a game." Donaghy was caught by the FBI because his name came up several times in wiretaps in an unrelated case. Donaghy has lost a lot to influence gambling which he made less than 10% of his salary. He is trying to save his aZZ and hopefully salvage some of his life by not being behind bars.

Peace

You're talking about Bob Delaney

Yes.

Peace

It is really hard to believe that an NBA Finals game could be fixed. But it is also hard to believe that the steal and dunk by Radmanovic was not called a travel.

I agree with Rut. What has the world come to. AAAAGH:eek:

And in other news, LHO acted alone in JFK's assassination. :eek:

BadNews brought up Canseco.......

I heard someone last night compare this to the Jose Canseco roids case too. As in, when Canseco made his initial accusations many said he too was full of crap, had an axe to grind, was less than credible, etc. But, where there was smoke, there was fire in that case. And now, many months later a lot of others have gone down and there was at least some truth to what he said…….

Only time will tell where this one goes……

Okay, in lieu of going to court, he can sign an affidavit. Either way, to convict him of perjury it has to be proven to be false. From what I've seen, it's his word against theirs on a matter of opinion. If he has evidence, or if he's stated something that can be proven false, then yes, he's risking perjury.

And and until I see any actual evidence to back him up, I stand by what I said earlier.

Honestly, David Stern would have to be a complete idiot to do what he's been accused of doing. I haven't seen any evidence that Stern is stupid.

If Stern did this, and if it comes out, it will bring the NBA down significantly; possibly completely.

The difference between this and Conseco is that, for the most part, Conseco's knowledge was first hand. Unless Donaghy claims to have been involved in the meetings between Stern and the officials for that game, he doesn't even have Conseco's credibility.

So, when a convicted felon questions the integrity of three other officials (one of whom is Bob Delaney FCOL) without a shred of evidence other than he says so; I'm siding with the officials every time.

Just for the record the accusation is that 2 of the 3 officials in the 2002 game were in on the fix.

Oh, well that's different. :)

You are 100% correct. However, my point is that he will derail that possibility by lying.

First, please reread my post. Its more than perjury. Second, look at the Scooter Libby trial. All the special counsel could parade before the jury in that trial was 1) conflicting stories between Libby and those he spoke with; and 2) the fact that Libby might have lied to those reporters he spoke with (which isn't a crime). Still, the jury came back with a conviction even without what I would call real evidence of perjury or obstruction. If the US Attorney wants to convict someone on perjury, false statements, and obstruction of justice to make an example, they likely WILL convict. Donaghy's attorneys know this and would have resigned as counsel before submitting any materials that contained false statements.

Fair enough. We'll just have to disagree on this. I think he's lying because what he's claiming doesn't make sense. It's too risky for some very smart people to have attempted.
You think he's not lying because it's too risky for him and his attorney to attempt.

I have more confidence in Stern's risk assessment than in Donaghy's.

I also think this is less an attempt to save his a$$ than it's a last-ditch effort from a desparate man to salvage his reputation; in his own mind. It actually fits the pattern of his reputed domestic issues; an angry man lashing out when he's been publicly embarrassed.

Understand my comments were not about perjury. That is a legal term and there are reasons for why you are accused of perjury. My point is he was simply lying and did not have evidence to back up that claim. It does not mean that they are going to prove his claim that the game he referenced was influenced by the officials to further the series. And you are assuming that Donaghy's lawyers have ethical standards as well. Many assume that Clemens is lying and his counsel has allowed him to lie about and make claims. Now you might know more about this than I do because I believe you are in this profession, but then why is Clemens considered a big liar and Donaghy who has admitted to committing a crime telling the truth and Clemens who has not lying?

Peace

What's the line on this? :cool:

Probably about the same as Big Brown finishing last on Saturday.

Well, that would be because he has lied.

I dont think there is a league office organized conspiracy to decide games but it is possible that specific reffs have clear cut agendas towards certain teams and players and call that way. This leads me to a few pointed questions about how each game is officiated:

1) How hard will the reffs allow the defensive team to push the offensive team away from the basket when they step out on screen and roll? With double teams on the ball and step outs on screen and roll a defense can literally push the offense all the way to halfcourt. Typically a reff can get caught up in the home crowd and allow the home team to be much more aggressive and physical pushing the ball away from the basket. This causes teams to become jump shooters like the Lakers in Game 2 and the Celtics in Game 3 and it also causes teams to become frantic as the shot clock runs down to zero.

2) How much will the NBE Reffs allow using your hands and pushing into the defense on rebounds? In Boston allowing PJ Brown and Powe to push into Odom and Gasol under the basket led to a lot of Celtics offensive rebounds and loose balls. This lead to Powe scoring 21pts in Game 2. Allowing Gasol and Odom to push Garnett and Perkins in Game 3 lead to the best game of the series inside for the Lakers.

3) How much contact will the NBE reffs allow the slashers to get through traffic, take contact and get to the FT line at home? For Game 3 I had the Kobe over/under on FT Attempts at 22 (he shot 18) and I said take the over. If Kobe and Phil hadnt had the terrible brain cramp that had Odom, Fisher and Vujacich touch the ball on three consecutive trips in the final 2:30 mins with Kobe frozen out, Kobe would have attacked the basket, got 6 FTs and I would have won the bet.

4) What mystery calls will affect the game? Joey Crawford's charge call (and 5th foul) in Game 3 on Pierce was one of those mystery calls. The two push fouls on Kobe through the screeners in Boston in Game 2 were mystery calls. Sometimes it seems like the NBE reffs call that kind of stuff to say "hey look at me, I run this show" but other times it seems much more ominous than that.

5) IMO what the League cares about with their TV partners is not city/media market size. They care that the series goes to 6 games so both teams have an equal number of home games, that ABC/ESPN gets their 4 guaranteed games plus two more to make additional ad revenue, that the 6 game series means it is competitive, and they want the stars to finish the game on the court.

This is easily attainable by a NBE reff crew with the agenda to call the game like I described in 1-4. All the reffs and the league want is for the home team stars to have a chance to lead their team to the win. It is up to the players to actually decide the game. This gives the league, the Reffs and Stern plausible deniability when it comes to the "conspiracy." The players ultimately decide the outcome.

The 2002 Lakers/Kings series that Donaghy was talking about going to 6 and then 7 games was in a renegotiation year (ABC signed in January 2002) when NBC dropped the NBE and ABC picked it up. The 2002 Western Conference Final was one of the highest rated NBE Playoff series in history. Was that series happening at that time a coincidence? Nobody knows for sure, but I dont think so. The new deal with ABC was already signed so the higher ratings didnt help close the deal but it certainly didnt hurt ABC's ability to negotiate their 2003 Season commercial schedule prices with sponsors. ABC signed the NBE for $400 million per season in a deal that NBC's Dick Ebersol said was a losing contract.