BACK COURT??? HELP

SHANE MEENACH · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 13, 2000, 10:09pm

[quote]Originally posted by SHANE MEENACH on 02-14-2000 12:18 AM
A1 MAKES A BAD PASS TO A2,THE BALL BOUNCES IN THE BACKCOURT. A2 THEN JUMPS FROM THE FRONTCOURT CATCHING AND PASSING THE BALL BACK INTO THE FRONTCOURT BEFORE LANDING IN THE BACKCOURT. DO WE HAVE A VIOLATION HERE? I CALLED THE BACKCOURT VIOLATION...WAS I CORRECT?

Matthew · #2 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 13, 2000, 10:21pm

That was not a backcourt violation, with the information you have given us

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SHANE MEENACH · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 14, 2000, 01:18am

A1 MAKES A BAD PASS TO A2 THAT JUST MAKES IT INTO THE BACK COURT. A2 IS ABLE TO JUMP FROM THE FRONTCOURT, CATCH AND PASS THE BALL BEFORE LANDING IN THE BACK COURT. WHAT DO WE HAVE??

barney · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 14, 2000, 02:40am

Did the ball touch the floor in the backcourt? If neither the ball or the player touched the backcourt before he passed it back to the frontcourt, you have nothing, play on.

PublicBJ · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 14, 2000, 10:42am

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Originally posted by Matthew on 02-13-2000 09:21 PM
That was not a backcourt violation, with the information you have given us

Sorry, think you're wrong. Since the ball bounced in the backcourt, the ball had backcourt status. Using the three-points principle (two feet + ball) to determine frontcourt/backcourt status, once the player touched that ball, he was in backcourt. Violation.

If the ball hadn't bounced in backcourt first, then he would still have frontcourt status when he touched the ball (while airborne).

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Brian Johnson

Mark Padgett · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 14, 2000, 06:50pm

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Originally posted by SHANE MEENACH on 02-13-2000 09:09 PM
[quote]Originally posted by SHANE MEENACH on 02-14-2000 12:18 AM
A1 MAKES A BAD PASS TO A2,THE BALL BOUNCES IN THE BACKCOURT. A2 THEN JUMPS FROM THE FRONTCOURT CATCHING AND PASSING THE BALL BACK INTO THE FRONTCOURT BEFORE LANDING IN THE BACKCOURT. DO WE HAVE A VIOLATION HERE? I CALLED THE BACKCOURT VIOLATION...WAS I CORRECT?

Yes, you are correct. All four elements of an over and back call are present.

1) there is team control
2) the ball had achieved frontcourt status (A1 had the ball in frontcourt)
3) the team in team control was last to touch in frontcourt (A1 was last to touch)
4) the same team was first to touch after the ball had been in backcourt (the ball bounced in the backcourt, A2's status is irrelevant)

Art N · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 15, 2000, 11:15am

I agree with Mark, you made the correct call, backcourt violation. Good job!

Matthew · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 15, 2000, 12:27pm

But from what I know, both feet and the ball have to be in backcourt, before a violation is called. If just the ball was on the backcourt floor, there would be no violation since it was just the ball, not the two feet and the ball?

PublicBJ · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 15, 2000, 12:47pm

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Originally posted by Matthew on 02-15-2000 11:27 AM
But from what I know, both feet and the ball have to be in backcourt, before a violation is called. If just the ball was on the backcourt floor, there would be no violation since it was just the ball, not the two feet and the ball?

It takes all three points to establish front court position. But, any one of the three points touching the backcourt establishes backcourt position.

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Brian Johnson