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Ch1town Tue May 20, 2008 08:32am

Referee B I G
 
Will someone please explain "how to" referee big & provide examples?


Thanks!

Jurassic Referee Tue May 20, 2008 09:13am

Looking for an interpretation of the latest "camp speak", eh?:D

You already know this but all that it basically means is that you officiate with confidence...and you show it.

Nuthin' has changed but the terminology. It's just someone reinventing the wheel.

Ch1town Tue May 20, 2008 09:21am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Looking for an interpretation of the latest "camp speak", eh?:D

You already know this but all that it basically means is that you officiate with confidence...and you show it.

Nuthin' has changed but the terminology. It's just someone reinventing the wheel.

Tis the season...

So basically our on court presence, great looking mechanics, staying connected to the play, etc. results in officiating big.

Gotcha, thanks again.

Scrapper1 Tue May 20, 2008 09:40am

I think there's also a physical element to "officiating big". You can project the confidence that Jurassic talks about by having good posture on the court. Stand tall, don't hang your head, don't lean one way or the other (especially when reporting. I used to do that and got BAD comments about it.)

I've seen guys who officiate almost hunched over. They're concentrating so hard that they move their head forward and it looks awkward. If they simply stand straight and tall, they look sharper and more confident.

Also, if you're a really big guy, you can use your size when some kind of confrontation is about to break out. You can use your size to diffuse the situation by getting in the middle of it quickly.

Ch1town Tue May 20, 2008 09:46am

Good stuff, thanks for the input!

Adam Tue May 20, 2008 09:46am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Also, if you're a really big guy, you can use your size when some kind of confrontation is about to break out. You can use your size to diffuse the situation by getting in the middle of it quickly.

Rocky, is this true?

rockyroad Tue May 20, 2008 10:26am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Rocky, is this true?

Beats me...:mad:

Anyway, reffing "BIG" also means (at least to me) that you handle whatever comes up in your game - without being an *** about it, you take care of bidness.

Another aspect of it is to "go big" when there is a bang-bang play...really sell the call when needed. I see a lot of officials at camps I work who referee with the same demeanor or intensity the entire game...I just think we need to get into it every now and then and that is part of reffing "BIG" imho...

And Saqs - you're headed straight to hell, pal...straight to hell.

Adam Tue May 20, 2008 10:32am

I hope there aren't any buses there. I know Dan will be there, and I get the feeling he likes throwing people under buses for sport.

Dan_ref Tue May 20, 2008 10:39am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
I hope there aren't any buses there. I know Dan will be there, and I get the feeling he likes throwing people under buses for sport.

It makes me sad to see such anger... :(

Adam Tue May 20, 2008 10:42am

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
It makes me sad to see such anger... :(

You said the tread marks would go away. They haven't.

Dan_ref Tue May 20, 2008 10:43am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
You said the tread marks would go away. They haven't.

I didn't say when.

rockyroad Tue May 20, 2008 10:44am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
You said the tread marks would go away. They haven't.

Give it time Snaqs...mine from this past season are finally starting to go away!:D

Adam Tue May 20, 2008 10:53am

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
I didn't say when.

I grew up with microwaves and cable TV; I want results immediately.

Adam Tue May 20, 2008 10:54am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad
Give it time Snaqs...mine from this past season are finally starting to go away!:D

Did you try showering?


Yeah yeah, I know where I'm heading.

Mark Padgett Tue May 20, 2008 11:34am

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Originally Posted by Ch1town
Will someone please explain "how to" referee big & provide examples? Thanks!

Here's an example of how to referee "big":

http://di1.shopping.com/images/pi/ff...77x150-0-0.jpg

IREFU2 Tue May 20, 2008 11:46am

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Originally Posted by Ch1town
Tis the season...

So basically our on court presence, great looking mechanics, staying connected to the play, etc. results in officiating big.

Gotcha, thanks again.

I concur on this one as well. It makes a BIG difference...pardon the pun!!!

JRutledge Tue May 20, 2008 12:17pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Here's an example of how to referee "big":

http://di1.shopping.com/images/pi/ff...77x150-0-0.jpg

I know a few guys that officiate that way. ;)

Peace

Back In The Saddle Tue May 20, 2008 12:35pm

How you use the rubber chicken has a LOT to do with how well your calls are accepted. :D

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue May 20, 2008 02:05pm

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Originally Posted by Ch1town
Will someone please explain "how to" referee big & provide examples?


Thanks!


Wait for it, wait for it: Steve Wellmer


MTD, Sr.

Ch1town Tue May 20, 2008 02:37pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Wait for it, wait for it: Steve Wellmer


MTD, Sr.

While I value this forum as a tool to gain knowledge, many of the inside jokes I do not get...
What does Steve Wellmer have to do with my question?

Adam Tue May 20, 2008 02:40pm

He's tall, and seemingly everywhere (one might say "ubiquitous", but that would make Dan get out his dictionary.)

Dan_ref Tue May 20, 2008 02:44pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
He's tall, and seemingly everywhere (one might say "ubiquitous", but that would make Dan get out his dictionary.)

Mods... it seems that one of our more valuable contributors is having some on-going anger issues leading him to engage in insult, slander and the politics of personal destruction. Might you have a word with him?

And while you're at it tell Snaqwells to knock it off too.

Adam Tue May 20, 2008 02:53pm

You seem bitter. That's the only rational explanation I can come up with for this chaos that you're spreading.

Scrapper1 Tue May 20, 2008 03:09pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Might you have a word with him?

They'll only honor such requests if you're an "esteemed" member. I'm betting nobody's going to act on your request. :p

Back In The Saddle Tue May 20, 2008 03:20pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
They'll only honor such requests if you're an "esteemed" member. I'm betting nobody's going to act on your request. :p

Is that only "full-on" esteemed? Or could "lightly" esteemed members expect to be heard as well?

Adam Tue May 20, 2008 03:22pm

What about "steamed" members?

Dan_ref Tue May 20, 2008 03:22pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
They'll only honor such requests if you're an "esteemed" member. I'm betting nobody's going to act on your request. :p

I'll give ya an esteemed member....

Jurassic Referee Tue May 20, 2008 04:09pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
I'll give ya an esteemed member....

Small....but esteemed.....

Or so I've heard.......

Dan_ref Tue May 20, 2008 04:27pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Small....but esteemed.....

Or so I've heard.......

It aint the meat it's the esteemitude.

Or something like that

26 Year Gap Tue May 20, 2008 10:03pm

The Bangor Auditorium in the background is where the Eastern Maine HS tournaments are held. I played there back in the mid 70s. And the guy out front, a really big guy, was there then. He did not need a whistle.

http://www.acadiamagic.com/bangor-lo...l-Bunyan-1.jpg

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue May 20, 2008 11:14pm

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Originally Posted by Ch1town
While I value this forum as a tool to gain knowledge, many of the inside jokes I do not get...
What does Steve Wellmer have to do with my question?


Ch1town:

My post was not meant to make fun of you. As many people will tell you I honestly make valuable contributions to this forum from time to time. (Ouch, I just think I broke my arm, trying to pat myself on my back. :D ) And before I made my post, a number of members of this forum gave some good examples of officiating "big" and helping one another to be better officials is the number one goal of the forum. But I just couldn't let a Steve Wellmer joke go by. I am sure that if some of us have not driven you to ask Mark Pagdett to start sharing his meds with you by the start of next season, I hope that we can get you to join in the Steve Wellmer drinking game. That is all I am going to say about the drinking game but I am sure that some of our fellow officials will be glad to fill you in on it.

Have a good summer season.

MTD, Sr.

Ch1town Wed May 21, 2008 12:23pm

MTD, Sr -
I didn't take it in a bad way, I was just trying to understand the joke as I'm not in loop on many of them. FTR, I've always valued your contributions to the board.
Have a great summer too sir!

26 Year Gap Wed May 21, 2008 08:27pm

If you go with belted pants, chances are you will never pull a Welmer.

rsox34 Thu Jul 03, 2008 09:41pm

The phrase "Referee Big" is not just the lastest camp speak--Goerge Toliver has been using the phrase at his camp for over a decade. Ed Rush Sr. defines it as Projecting a Presence when you referee. Carry yourself where you exude an aura of being in command.

Basically means to officiate like you are the crew chief/R in your crew. By refereeing big you show you are in control and can be believed.

Tio Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ch1town
Will someone please explain "how to" referee big & provide examples?


Thanks!

Also commonly referred to as Court Presence.

Adam Fri Jul 04, 2008 01:13pm

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Originally Posted by rsox34
The phrase "Referee Big" is not just the lastest camp speak--Goerge Toliver has been using the phrase at his camp for over a decade. Ed Rush Sr. defines it as Projecting a Presence when you referee. Carry yourself where you exude an aura of being in command.

Basically means to officiate like you are the crew chief/R in your crew. By refereeing big you show you are in control and can be believed.

Were you bored?

HoopsRefJunior Fri Jul 04, 2008 02:33pm

The feedback I received this summer at camp was similar. For me it is posture. I have a tendancy to bend at the waist occasionally on certain calls -- usually when I move forward to "sell the call". I don't do it all the time, but when I give a preliminary signal (ie., hold or hand-check) at the spot of the foul I occasionally finish with my shoulders rolled forward and I slightly bend at the waist. The clinicians said they were knit-picking, but that is why we go to camp -- to polish our game. The recommendation -- and I worked on it at camp -- is to stand more upright (with better posture) through those particular calls.

Mark Padgett Fri Jul 04, 2008 04:00pm

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Originally Posted by HoopsRefJunior
The feedback I received this summer at camp was similar. For me it is posture. I have a tendancy to bend at the waist occasionally on certain calls -- usually when I move forward to "sell the call". I don't do it all the time, but when I give a preliminary signal (ie., hold or hand-check) at the spot of the foul I occasionally finish with my shoulders rolled forward and I slightly bend at the waist. The clinicians said they were knit-picking, but that is why we go to camp -- to polish our game. The recommendation -- and I worked on it at camp -- is to stand more upright (with better posture) through those particular calls.

Great advice. I'll have to stop jumping up in the air and throwing my arms up while I yell "Yahoo!" every time I call a technical. Maybe I should start yelling "Google" instead. :rolleyes:

Raymond Fri Jul 04, 2008 04:27pm

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Originally Posted by HoopsRefJunior
The feedback I received this summer at camp was similar. For me it is posture. I have a tendancy to bend at the waist occasionally on certain calls -- usually when I move forward to "sell the call". I don't do it all the time, but when I give a preliminary signal (ie., hold or hand-check) at the spot of the foul I occasionally finish with my shoulders rolled forward and I slightly bend at the waist. The clinicians said they were knit-picking, but that is why we go to camp -- to polish our game. The recommendation -- and I worked on it at camp -- is to stand more upright (with better posture) through those particular calls.

Similar to how it's been put forth to me. I'm 6' 5". Whenever I've heard that I'm not referee'ing big it's when I have bad posture or my signals are weak and/or presented too low.

Referee Mon Jul 07, 2008 09:36am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge
I know a few guys that officiate that way. ;)

Peace

We have WAY TOO MANY guys that look like this in Miami...:D

icallfouls Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:17am

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Originally Posted by Referee
We have WAY TOO MANY guys that look like this in Miami...:D

http://www.imageno.com/thumbs/20080707/3jdck69br97a.jpg

Isn't that Cameron from Ferris Buehlers Day Off? Is he still driving his dad's Ferrari?

So he ref's with you in Miami? Buehler? Buehler?


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