Unsportsmanlike or not?
 

Ran into a fellow official at the store this morning and he related this to me. This past season he was working a JV boys game. A1 made a clean steal in his front court and took off on a breakaway. While he was going toward his basket, Coach B started yelling "TIMEOUT, TIMEOUT, TIMEOUT". A1 just continued and layed the ball in. Coach A lobbied the refs for an unsportmanlike T on coach B for doing that, claiming he was trying to trick A1 into pulling up. My buddy told Coach A there was nothing they could do in that situation. We then briefly discussed some variations to see if a T would ever be warranted. We both agreed that we might call it in a low level kids recreational game whether or not it had any effect on the player's drive, but not in any situation other than that.

What do you guys think? It was obvious to my buddy that Coach B really was trying to trick the kid and not that he might have thought he really good get a timeout granted then. Of course, to know that exactly, one would have to be able to read a coach's mind, and we all know that's like trying to drink from an empty cup. :D

*THE* store Mark? You only have 1 store in your neighborhood? Is this like one of those super walmart things where they sell everything you could possibly need from pet needs to plumbing? I can't imagine giving a T for this.

Sounds like there are only 3 reasons for him doing what he did:
1) He's ignorant of the rules and actually thought he could get a time out called at that point.
2) He was trying to trick A1 into pulling up and stopping.
3) He was trying to trick the officials into blowing the whistle.

Since it's a JV game, 1) is a possibility. If that's what the officials thought, let it go and explain the rule to the dufus at the next stoppage. Who knows?..maybe he'll be a V coach someday and he really needs to learn.

As for 2) or 3), If ya know the guy and he's been around long enough to know better, I'd whack him. Sounds unsporting to me.

It was the local adult video store, but I didn't want to mention it. I was renting that new kinky Billy Packer - Rosie O'Donnell video. OOPS! :eek:

I am not every calling a T for this. At least not for the reason the coach wanted me to call a T for.

Peace

No T from me, unless coach A lobbied too hard. He wouldn't like the results, though.

Bad Zebra missed two possible reasons.

4) He's telling his kids to request a timeout as soon as the ball goes through.
5) He's directly requesting a timeout once the basket is scored.

My answer: Wait for the basket to go in, then grant the coach his timeout and don't allow him to withdraw it.

My sympathies to Billy Packer

you = angryman
me = not giving a ffff

bwahahahahahaha too funny dan. go in peace brother :cheers:

and to the original post, I will award however many T's my partner dan_ref says I should because he has credibility and I do not :D

Yeah, you just stay over here under the basket. *I'll* go talk to the coaches and see if I can get our damn ratings up.

Blah blah blah dan is mean blah blah blah
i'm not angry blah blah blah blah
sorry to interrupt your blah blah blah party
blah blah blah blah master dan blah blah blah

DONE DEAL, I got $0.50 in my pocket and the concessions are right there HAHAHA

snaq let him go talk to the coaches and you and I can stay under the basket and finish this bag of popcorn

And you stay here with Cajun cause I'm throwing your azz under the bus

See, now you're just clinging to your bitterness and antipathy.

Make sure it's a big bus - if it's one of those small, short buses he might survive.:mad:

I like that answer. :)

You've got experience with small, short buses?

It's a sad story, really. He kept getting lost on the regular sized bus, so they moved him to something more.... proportional.
That's not the sad part, though. The sad part is that because he was riding the "smaller" bus, he found himself sitting next to Dan every morning on the way to school.

That's just full of mean-spiritedness.
I'd cry, but I'm wearing a uniform today.

So now I'm thinking we're really stuck on angry... not that I give a ffff, just saying

I think I have a right, I got thrown under the bus earlier today by someone who apparently doesn't give a ffff.

No, no, no...I never once saw Dan on that bus. Now M&M and I had some good laughs on the way to school.:p

Good point.

Don't worry, the skid marks will eventually wear out & no one will ever know.

Nice to know.
Is this the part where we stand around in a circle, holding hands, and chanting, "Yes we can!"?

You didn't throw M&Ms at the bus driver, did you?

Sorry, but, well, actually no we can't.

They were upside down so he read them as W&Ws

Thank God. I can't say for sure, but I probably would have puked on someone's shoes.
Only half of them.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I've been told we shouldn't set our thermostat to 72 degrees. So I need to go home and flip it down to 71 degrees.

No no no no. You missed the message.

You can set your thermostat to whatever you want.

What's gonna be different is you won't have any energy for it to make a difference - that's the change you can believe in. And what you'll do is sit in your house praying for the weather to change before you freeze to death.

That's the hope part.

Delayed call
 

There is a casebook play if the coach was yelling obscenities to allow layup and T after the play. In this situation, I like the earlier suggestion. Timeout to coach as soon as layup goes in and an earful from me after reporting the timeout.

I'd skip the earful. Coach will get the point with the delayed granting of the TO. If he's already angry, lecturing him will result in a couple Ts. If he's not, it will result in one T. No need to lure him in by giving him a coaching/sportsmanship seminar on the court.

The casebook play is a delayed penalty for unsporting behavior. I really don't think that you can label a coach requesting a T.O. as being unsporting behavior, unless you also feel that the coach's shouting affected the shooter. And if you thought that, just call the "T". If not, ignore it. Apples and oranges.

You went <b>by</b> the rules and refused a T.O. request because it wasn't made legally. Now you want to go <b>against</b> the rules and grant a T.O. request when there really isn't one being made. Not a good idea imo. Don't make things up just because you're pissed off at a coach. Leave the game-playing to others, like that coach.

Jmo.

I think you're comparing apples and oranges. In the case play, the coach is doing something that is worthy of a T - the ruling states that you just delay calling the technical.

Here, the coach didn't do anything (IMO) that warrants a T, so you just play on.