Re: Re: Mark Dexter
 

The point is that Billy "Giblethead" Packer thinks that if a defensive player does not have legal guarding position before a shooter leaves the ground but gains it before the shot is released, the subsequent contact is an offensive foul.

Someone ought to take this guy out and just slap him silly.

I have heard ONLY one announcer in all the sports I watch who knows the rules. That's Chick Hearn (I love his "faked him into the popcorn machine") of the Lakers. I have yet to hear a baseball announcer who knows the difference between a "foul tip" and "foul ball". Or a football announcer who knows the difference between a "fumble" and a "muff" on a kick.

One of the big problems is that the general public thinks these dummies know the rules. In fact, they they think they know them better than the officials.

Bob

Probably because the announcers all but claim that they are. (You know that superior angle they have from the halfcourt line - opposite the table, nonetheless.)

In the Oka/Mizz game, there was a close play toward the end of the game where OK was granted a timeout (close to a 10-sec backcourt call) and soon after the whistle, one of the Mizz players tripped the Oka player from the ground by using his hands.

The (once again, partially correct) explanation - because that's a dead ball technical foul, Oklahoma will get the ball at the halfcourt line.

:rolleyes:

Thats a loose ball, thats a bad call. I just heard this in the Kent vs Ind. game. Front court status of Ind. Deflection by Kent player and Ind. player touched last in front court then first to touch in back court.

I didn't hear that because I wasn't able to see the entire game, but I doubt it was said by Dick Enberg. It must have been by "Fat Matt" Goukas. Actually, it's understandable. He played in the NBA where they have "loose ball" fouls.

I think Bart is referring to the backcourt violation call, which I adamantly defended among the non-ref-believers in my viewing group.

This is the one that pushed me over the edge! I got CBS Sports's number and will be calling them on Monday.

For those who weren't watching the IU/Kent game, here's the play (IU had the ball): A1 is holding the ball in A's frontcourt, in the "corner" by the halfcourt line (right in front of the CBS announcers). B1 comes flying in, and hits the ball out of A1's hands. A1 then starts tapping the ball up in the air, trying to gain control. He clearly takes several steps in the FC, then steps over into the backcourt. Of course, the announcers (being right on top of the play) are screaming about how the ball was tipped by B1. BTW, the official (I believe it was R Scott Thornley) did an excellent job of selling the call - basically stradling the line and vehemently pointing at each half of the court while doing the usual "over-and-back" mechanic.

Speaking of explaining calls to non-ref folks, I was volunteering at a certain first round site, hosted by a certain Jesuit school, with a certain history in basketball, when an NBA-style goaltend play happened (i.e., the ball bounced up off of the rim/backboard and someone swatted it away outside of the cylinder). I could not convince anyone that this was not goaltending.

Of course, I considered pulling out my rulebook, but I realized that I would look like a wise-***-know-it-all, a jerk, or both. :D (I am hoping to work regular season basketball games there next year!)

Re: Re: Re: Mark Dexter
 

This IS what I was commenting on. The SIU player had become airborne, the Uconn player "slid" under him and Packer's commentary implied that it should be an offensive foul if the SIU player had not shot before contact occurred.

The only way I could be misintrepretting the play is if the NCAA "Charge" is significantly different than NFHS?

BTW - devdog69 - regarding your signature...the exact Davism is "Coach - he said that word that starts with F and ends with U-C-K and it's not FIRETRUCK!"

Inquiring minds want to know. ;)

Re: Re: Re: Re: Mark Dexter
 

You're fine. What Packer is probably misinterpreting is the new NCAA men's airborne shooter rule regarding PC fouls.

Here's the play:
B1 has legal guarding position (not under the basket!!). A1 (with the ball) jumps, releases the ball, then crashes into B1 before A1 has returned to the ground.

In NF and NCAA women, this is a PC foul - no basket for A, no shots for B. This year in NCAA men, this is not a PC foul - the goal counts (if successful) and B1 shoots (if B is in the bonus).

It was that idiot, Goukas. An obvious BC violation, and it's complaining that the ball was "loose!" However, Enberg aggreed with him. :(

Really! That's not like Dick. Usually, he's pretty good on the rules. Maybe he should ask this question on a revival of his old "Sports Challenge" show.

BTW - I referred to Matty Goukas as "Fat Matt". Man, the guy has really porked up since his playing days. I bet he has to weigh himself on the highway truck scales.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mark Dexter
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mark Dexter

Quote:

You're fine. What Packer is probably misinterpreting is the new NCAA men's airborne shooter rule regarding PC fouls. Here's the play: B1 has legal guarding position (not under the basket!!). A1 (with the ball) jumps, releases the ball, then crashes into B1 before A1 has returned to the ground. In NF and NCAA women, this is a PC foul - no basket for A, no shots for B. This year in NCAA men, this is not a PC foul - the goal counts (if successful) and B1 shoots (if B is in the bonus).

Mark, this isn't a "new" rule in men's NCAA. I'm pretty sure that's been the rule since I started doing college 4 years ago.

Chuck

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mark Dexter
 

You're right - I must have gotten that by listening to some stupid announcer.

Of course, this being my first year of college ball, I can't be expected to know everything :). (I didn't know what the travel signal was my freshman year in high school - much less what a travel was!)