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mross645 Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:52pm
Question from AAU Coach
 
Player 1 from team A takes a shot from his backcourt the ball bounces inside his three point line then goes through the basket. How Many ponits are scored if any?

emtp Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:57pm
2 or 3
 
2

ILRef80 Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:57pm
None. The try ends when it hits the floor.

GonetoRef Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:57pm
No points are awarded...once shot hits the floor, the previous attempt has ended.

JugglingReferee Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:58pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by mross645
Player 1 from team A takes a shot from his backcourt the ball bounces inside his three point line then goes through the basket. How Many ponits are scored if any?
The 3 point attempt ended when the ball hit the floor. After that, a live ball went through the basket. Score 2 points.

Edit:
5.1.1
A goal is made when a live ball enters the basket from above and remains in or passes through. No goal is scored if an untouched throw-in goes through the basket.

JugglingReferee Thu Apr 24, 2008 01:06pm
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Originally Posted by ILRef80
None. The try ends when it hits the floor.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GonetoRef
No points are awarded...once shot hits the floor, the previous attempt has ended.
Your answers are incorrect. Your comments are true.

emtp Thu Apr 24, 2008 01:06pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by ILRef80
None. The try ends when it hits the floor.
What do you have when the ball goes through the basket, it's a live ball.

GonetoRef Thu Apr 24, 2008 01:11pm
I stand corrected...Under Rule 5.2.1

A ball that touches the floor, a teammate inside the arc, an official, or any other goal from the field counts two points for the team into whose basket the ball is thrown.

Raymond Thu Apr 24, 2008 01:42pm
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Originally Posted by ILRef80
None. The try ends when it hits the floor.
And then what happens? :confused:

Ch1town Thu Apr 24, 2008 01:47pm
Originally Posted by ILRef80
None. The try ends when it hits the floor.

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
And then what happens? :confused:
Ummm the first player to gain posession is credited with a rebound?? :D

JugglingReferee Thu Apr 24, 2008 01:52pm
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Originally Posted by Ch1town
Quote:
Originally Posted by ILRef80
None. The try ends when it hits the floor.
Ummm the first player to gain posession is credited with a rebound?? :D
Unless that first person you speak of is the original shooter, in which case people will yell, "Travel!!!". :eek:

Mark Padgett Thu Apr 24, 2008 01:55pm
You guys forgot the Billy Packer interp. Once the ball hit the floor, an offensive player has five seconds to recover it or else it's an inbound violation. :rolleyes:

JugglingReferee Thu Apr 24, 2008 02:09pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
You guys forgot the Billy Packer interp. Once the ball hit the floor, an offensive player has five seconds to recover it or else it's an inbound violation. :rolleyes:
Who's Billy Packer? I only referee middle school games. :D :p

lpneck Thu Apr 24, 2008 02:21pm
I will give ILRef80 and GonetoRef a little bit of the benefit of the doubt.

Since we are talking about a length of the court shot here, it is likely done while time is expiring.

IF TIME EXPIRES while the ball is in flight, and then it hits the ground, and bounces into the basket, then the ball is dead and no points are scored. (Also- no points if it hits the ground, then time expires, then goes in. Either way- the ball becomes dead when time expires because it is not in flight on a try for goal.)

If for some reason this occured in the middle of the game with the clock running, then it is 2 points as everyone has stated.

Mark Padgett Thu Apr 24, 2008 02:38pm
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
Who's Billy Packer?
Couldn't resist.

http://www.dungtongue.com/i/billypacker.jpg

JugglingReferee Thu Apr 24, 2008 02:45pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by lpneck
I will give ILRef80 and GonetoRef a little bit of the benefit of the doubt.

Since we are talking about a length of the court shot here, it is likely done while time is expiring.

IF TIME EXPIRES while the ball is in flight, and then it hits the ground, and bounces into the basket, then the ball is dead and no points are scored. (Also- no points if it hits the ground, then time expires, then goes in. Either way- the ball becomes dead when time expires because it is not in flight on a try for goal.)

If for some reason this occured in the middle of the game with the clock running, then it is 2 points as everyone has stated.
Sounds fair enough.

Raymond Fri Apr 25, 2008 08:42am
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
Sounds fair enough.
Fair, smair. We must take every opportunity to bust balls around here. :cool:

It makes up for the professional demeanor we perpetually project on the court. :D

rockyroad Fri Apr 25, 2008 09:19am
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
It makes up for the professional demeanor we perpetually project on the court. :D
Hey! Speak for yourself there, pal!:D

Adam Fri Apr 25, 2008 09:36am
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Originally Posted by rockyroad
Hey! Speak for yourself there, pal!:D
Feeling bitter?

rockyroad Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:58am
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Feeling bitter?
Who?? Me?? Whyever would you think that?:cool:

TravelinMan Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:19pm
why are we talking about plays that have a 1 in a million chance of happening? Has anybody actually seen this happen?

JugglingReferee Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by TravelinMan
why are we talking about plays that have a 1 in a million chance of happening? Has anybody actually seen this happen?
It's not so much about those weird plays that might happen once in the careers of 4 people, but rather understanding the rules and how you can apply the basic definitions of the game in every case.

This example shows that officials need to know what a try is, when it ends, what a basket is, how they're scored, and how end-of-quarter restrictions could alter the rulings. I read once early in my career that a basketball official makes some sort of a decision every 3 seconds. Personally, I think it's more often than that.

ranjo Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by TravelinMan
why are we talking about plays that have a 1 in a million chance of happening? Has anybody actually seen this happen?
No, not personally, but great officials have to be prepared for these screwball plays when they do happen even if its once in a million.

rockyroad Fri Apr 25, 2008 01:17pm
Years ago, I had a half-court heave shot attempt that hit a player in the head, bounced up and went through the basket...unfortunately my partner - who was T in two person - waved the shot off because time had expired, so we didn't get to have the argument of two vs. three or anything...and the poor 7th grade kid had a headache for nothing!

Adam Fri Apr 25, 2008 02:12pm
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Originally Posted by TravelinMan
why are we talking about plays that have a 1 in a million chance of happening? Has anybody actually seen this happen?
Because the principals and rules involved with figuring out whether to count it and for how much are important for all officials to know. Any further questions?

Dan_ref Fri Apr 25, 2008 02:26pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Because the principals and rules involved with figuring out whether to count it and for how much are important for all officials to know. Any further questions?
Yes.

Why do you seem so bitter today?

M&M Guy Fri Apr 25, 2008 02:40pm
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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Why do you seem so bitter today?
He's channeling rocky.

mross645 Sat Apr 26, 2008 06:55am
Thank for your input
 
I never had this shot but was watching an AAU game, my sons, when the coach posed this question to me told him I did not want to give him an answer off the top of my head when I could take the time to ask other opinions. My guess is this may have happened in one of his games and was trying to see someone elses opinion. :cool:

Adam Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:26am
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
He's channeling rocky.
Does the Lolly Pop Guild have its own channel now?


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