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CosaNostra4Life Wed Apr 23, 2008 09:00am

Hack-A-Shaq
 
Fouling off ball to gain an advantage is just ridiculous and this rule need to be changed.

Jurassic Referee Wed Apr 23, 2008 09:03am

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Originally Posted by CosaNostra4Life
Fouling off ball to gain an advantage is just ridiculous and this rule need to be changed.

You can't look at it as if it's basketball. It's the NBE....pro wrasslin' with a ball.

Welpe Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:06am

CosaNostra4Life

Nice user name... :rolleyes:

Scrapper1 Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:50am

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Originally Posted by CosaNostra4Life
Fouling off ball to gain an advantage is just ridiculous and this rule need to be changed.

1) Fouling off the ball is no more ridiculous than fouling on the ball.

2) Fouling off the ball "to gain an advantage" is redundant, since if there were no advantage, it wouldn't be a foul.

3) Why does the rule need to be changed? Do you even know what the rules are regarding these fouls?

4) There already is a rule that specifically covers this play. It's called an "Away from the play foul". It's basically the same as an intentional foul in high school or college.

5) Fanboys. Yawn.

Mark Padgett Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:52am

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Originally Posted by CosaNostra4Life
Fouling off ball to gain an advantage is just ridiculous and this rule need to be changed.

I'm sure if you contact the NBA they'll get right on it. :rolleyes:

lukealex Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe
CosaNostra4Life

Nice user name... :rolleyes:

So according to google, cosa nostra is either a criminal society, designer clothes, or a pizza place. hmmmm

Tio Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:04pm

The easiest way to fix this problem is to have Shaq actually practice his free throws. His form is awful, he has not rythm. The best free throw shooters follow the exact same routine every time they shoot. It amazes me that he still can't hit a free throw. During the game they showed the NBA career worst free throw list and the only other recent player was Chris Dudley and his form was equally bad.

Similar to how Arnold Schwarzenegger can still speak such bad english even though he's lived in the States for 30 years! I don't get it.

just another ref Wed Apr 23, 2008 01:29pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
4) There already is a rule that specifically covers this play. It's called an "Away from the play foul". It's basically the same as an intentional foul in high school or college.


In the NBA, this applies only in the last 2 minutes of the game, does it not?

Scrapper1 Wed Apr 23, 2008 03:25pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref
In the NBA, this applies only in the last 2 minutes of the game, does it not?

Yup. But isn't that usually when it's done? Not much reason to intentionally foul Shaq in the middle of the 2nd quarter.

Jurassic Referee Wed Apr 23, 2008 03:47pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Yup. But isn't that usually when it's done? Not much reason to intentionally foul Shaq in the middle of the 2nd quarter.

Say what?:confused:

Then why did San Antonio do it in the <b>THIRD</b> quarter?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baske...ns-spurs_N.htm

Nevadaref Wed Apr 23, 2008 04:52pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Say what?:confused:

Then why did San Antonio do it in the THIRD quarter?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baske...ns-spurs_N.htm

... Late in the third Spurs coach Gregg Popovich started the so-called "Hack-a-Shaq" — having his players intentionally foul O'Neal, a 52% career free-throw shooter. It backfired, though, and O'Neal went 5-of-6 from the foul line during the span. "I think he made the strategy look stupid," Popovich said.

Adam Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:41am

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Originally Posted by CosaNostra4Life
Fouling off ball to gain an advantage is just ridiculous and this rule need to be changed.

What do you suggest, oh great one?

Welpe Thu Apr 24, 2008 03:30pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
What do you suggest, oh great one?

Probably have Gino and Alphonse take him out behind the wood shed.

Camron Rust Thu Apr 24, 2008 03:38pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
What do you suggest, oh great one?

Others have previously suggested granting the fouled team the choice between the FTs or possession (and a new shot clock to go with it).

Mark Padgett Thu Apr 24, 2008 03:42pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust
Others have previously suggested granting the fouled team the choice between the FTs or possession (and a new shot clock to go with it).

Camron - I think that would be a fair arrangement. Here's something else to consider, however it's sort of convoluted. If an "off the ball" foul occurs, any player on the team that was fouled (who is on the floor) can shoot the free throws. If there's an 85% shooter on the floor, there's really no point in fouling off the ball against a 52% shooter.

I think Rick Barry would have loved this one.

CosaNostra4Life Thu Apr 24, 2008 05:52pm

I suggest if they do this then the team gets to choose who shoots the free throw.


Geeez I didnt think my screen-name would be a big deal. I grew up around all that stuff. Sorry fellas.

Mark Padgett Thu Apr 24, 2008 06:03pm

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Originally Posted by CosaNostra4Life
Geeez I didnt think my screen-name would be a big deal. I grew up around all that stuff. Sorry fellas.

Really? Where did you grow up, Sicily? :confused:

Nevadaref Thu Apr 24, 2008 06:55pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Camron - I think that would be a fair arrangement. Here's something else to consider, however it's sort of convoluted. If an "off the ball" foul occurs, any player on the team that was fouled (who is on the floor) can shoot the free throws. If there's an 85% shooter on the floor, there's really no point in fouling off the ball against a 52% shooter.

I think Rick Barry would have loved this one.

That's an excellent idea.

CosaNostra4Life Thu Apr 24, 2008 08:29pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Really? Where did you grow up, Sicily? :confused:


Nope.... New York....

Scrapper1 Thu Apr 24, 2008 08:29pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Say what?:confused:

Then why did San Antonio do it in the <b>THIRD</b> quarter?

Wow. I don't know! Why would you start that strategy so early? Doesn't make much sense at all to me. :confused:

Scrapper1 Thu Apr 24, 2008 08:31pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
If an "off the ball" foul occurs, any player on the team that was fouled (who is on the floor) can shoot the free throws.

I believe that this is actually the rule on an "away from the play" foul, although the rule only kicks in during the last two minutes of the 4th quarter or OT, as was pointed out earlier.

Nevadaref Thu Apr 24, 2008 09:47pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
I believe that this is actually the rule on an "away from the play" foul, although the rule only kicks in during the last two minutes of the 4th quarter or OT, as was pointed out earlier.

Actually, I believe that the rule is one FT by any player and retention of the ball.

So the question would be is two FTs by any player, but no awarding of possession better or worse?

HawkeyeCubP Fri Apr 25, 2008 01:40am

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Originally Posted by Tio
The easiest way to fix this problem is to have Shaq actually practice his free throws. His form is awful, he has not rythm. The best free throw shooters follow the exact same routine every time they shoot. It amazes me that he still can't hit a free throw. During the game they showed the NBA career worst free throw list and the only other recent player was Chris Dudley and his form was equally bad.

Similar to how Arnold Schwarzenegger can still speak such bad english even though he's lived in the States for 30 years! I don't get it.

Similar to how people type every day, and despite constantly seeing how things are typed correctly all around them, still manage to mess it up in more emails/letters/etc. than not.

Scrapper1 Fri Apr 25, 2008 06:19am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Actually, I believe that the rule is one FT by any player and retention of the ball.

Yes, but I was only addressing the part of Mark's post that suggeted letting any player on the floor shoot the free throws. Sorry for the confusion.

Adam Fri Apr 25, 2008 09:33am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Wow. I don't know! Why would you start that strategy so early? Doesn't make much sense at all to me. :confused:

Because when Shaq gets the ball in the post, fouling him is a pretty good way to negate an advantage. If Nash is ready to penetrate, fouling Shaq is a good way to stop a fast break.

I can see how this strategy could work early, taking away a few possessions by putting the grand mason himself on the line.

CosaNostra4Life Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:03pm

They are at it again tonight..

This is just ridiculous!

Welpe Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:15pm

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Originally Posted by CosaNostra4Life
Geeez I didnt think my screen-name would be a big deal. I grew up around all that stuff. Sorry fellas.

I just despise criminals and their glorification.

Nevadaref Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:52pm

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Originally Posted by CosaNostra4Life
They are at it again tonight..

This is just ridiculous!

I'm hearing from a friend that the tactic was used in the FIRST quarter tonight!

tjones1 Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:13pm

What the heck are you all watching?!?! I thought basketball was over. :D

CosaNostra4Life Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:19pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe
I just despise criminals and their glorification.

Just cause I grew up around it doesnt mean I was involved!

Back In The Saddle Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:08am

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Originally Posted by CosaNostra4Life
Just cause I grew up around it doesnt mean I was involved!

Then why choose a nickname that appears to proclaim your lifelong devotion and undying support of it? :confused:

CosaNostra4Life Mon Apr 28, 2008 03:46pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
Then why choose a nickname that appears to proclaim your lifelong devotion and undying support of it? :confused:

Keep being confused....

Its a screen-name..... Not something on my birth certificate. Stick to the topic BACKINTHESADDLE...LOL:D

Raymond Mon Apr 28, 2008 03:59pm

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Originally Posted by CosaNostra4Life

Its a screen-name..... Not something on my birth certificate...

I feel you on that one...my screen name is derived from the negative nickname given to the town I've been residing in for 10 years.

But it's not as bad as naming giving yourself a screen name of "Al_Capone", "Britney_Spears", or "Mark Padgett" . :D

Back In The Saddle Mon Apr 28, 2008 04:39pm

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Originally Posted by CosaNostra4Life
Keep being confused....

Its a screen-name..... Not something on my birth certificate. Stick to the topic BACKINTHESADDLE...LOL:D

Yeah, that's gonna happen :D

Adam Mon Apr 28, 2008 05:58pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
Yeah, that's gonna happen :D

Come on, Ray, it's such an important topic.

Back In The Saddle Mon Apr 28, 2008 07:03pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Come on, Ray, it's such an important topic.

I tried. Really I did. ;)


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