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Big2Cat Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:12pm

3-Pointer???
 
Did anyone happen to notice that Rose jumped back from inside the line and banked it home and the ref gave him 3 instead of 2??

Rich Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:25pm

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Originally Posted by Big2Cat
Did anyone happen to notice that Rose jumped back from inside the line and banked it home and the ref gave him 3 instead of 2??

It was corrected via replay.

Big2Cat Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:32pm

Yeah
 
I saw that coming out of commercial.

MadCityRef Tue Apr 08, 2008 01:50am

Look close. His left foot is in the air before his right foot lifts off. Shoulda been three.

Camron Rust Tue Apr 08, 2008 03:16am

That certainly was close. I was of the opinion that it should have been a 3...the front foot lifted first (barely) which means his position on the floor was determined by the location of his back foot when it left the floor. But again, it was so very close, I can't fault them calling it a two.

JugglingReferee Tue Apr 08, 2008 07:08am

I thought as much as well. IIRC, sideline screens aren't all that large. And they're likely not in HD resolutions either.

The NFL went to HD displays for their IR displays that the R views to uphold/reverse a challenged play.

IMO, with HD readily available, and way cheaper than it ever has been, there's no reason not to implement HD. Where possible, use native HD resolution; none of this 1366x7?? crap.

Rich Tue Apr 08, 2008 07:12am

I do not think that nitpicking to this degree is consistent with the spirit of the rule. If we have to slide a tongue depressor under his foot to see if it's in the air a millisecond before the other one, it's a 2. Nobody except on this thread has argued otherwise and, for once, I agree with them.

JugglingReferee Tue Apr 08, 2008 07:22am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN
I do not think that nitpicking to this degree is consistent with the spirit of the rule. If we have to slide a tongue depressor under his foot to see if it's in the air a millisecond before the other one, it's a 2. Nobody except on this thread has argued otherwise and, for once, I agree with them.

If they're going to implement IR, I think that's great. Pretty much every pro sport needs it. And some sports at the highest level of the amateur variety need it as well. So if they're going to do it, do it right! I wouldn't want an official to use an Acme Thunderer, since they have a higher chance of not performing when it's needed. Same goes for the tools to review plays.

eyezen Tue Apr 08, 2008 07:53am

My terminology is probably misplaced, but he had one foot inside the line when the habitual shooting motion started.

Paintguru Tue Apr 08, 2008 07:58am

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Originally Posted by eyezen
My terminology is probably misplaced, but he had one foot inside the line when the habitual shooting motion started.

Again, I don't know the rule specifics, but this is how I would think about it. If a player has an odd shooting style where is front foot is 2 feet in front of his back foot, and he raises the front foot first during his shooting motion, is one supposed to use his back foot to measure shooting location? Seems like a strange rule to me if that is the case.

Adam Tue Apr 08, 2008 08:52am

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Originally Posted by eyezen
My terminology is probably misplaced, but he had one foot inside the line when the habitual shooting motion started.

Absolutely irrelevant. A lot of players start their motion behind the line and make a final "plant" on or in front of it prior to jumping for their shot. You still give them two points. When the shooting motion starts isn't relevant to whether it's a two or a three.

Adam Tue Apr 08, 2008 08:54am

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Originally Posted by Paintguru
If a player has an odd shooting style where is front foot is 2 feet in front of his back foot, and he raises the front foot first during his shooting motion, is one supposed to use his back foot to measure shooting location? Seems like a strange rule to me if that is the case.

I'ts not a strange rule. We determine a player's location by the parts touching the floor, not what's in the air. It makes it simpler.

FWIW, I agree that if you need frame-by-frame replay to determine his front foot lifted first, it's a two. Hair isn't meant to be split that finely.

eyezen Tue Apr 08, 2008 08:56am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Absolutely irrelevant. A lot of players start their motion behind the line and make a final "plant" on or in front of it prior to jumping for their shot. You still give them two points. When the shooting motion starts isn't relevant to whether it's a two or a three.

You forgot the part where I stated my terminology was misplaced. But thanks.

Adam Tue Apr 08, 2008 09:01am

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Originally Posted by eyezen
You forgot the part where I stated my terminology was misplaced. But thanks.

It wasn't the terminology I was taking issue with, it was the premise.

Jurassic Referee Tue Apr 08, 2008 09:07am

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Originally Posted by eyezen
My terminology is probably misplaced, but he had one foot inside the line when the habitual shooting motion started.

Having one foot inside the line when he started to shoot is completely irrelevant. You use the same concept as a player being in-bounds or OOB. If you jump off one foot with the other foot in the air, the foot that you jump off of determines your location.


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