Critical Officiating article from a local news paper.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by dst8ada

I have also found that people that get in now seem to think after one season you have a full varsity schedule and should be doing tournaments by year three.

That's only true in southern California, the Magical Land Of College And Above. In SoCal, all officials have a full varsity schedule in their first year and are ready for D1 college games by the end of their third year.

It's true, it's true........

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That's only true in southern California, the Magical Land Of College And Above. In SoCal, all officials have a full varsity schedule in their first year and are ready for D1 college games by the end of their third year.

It's true, it's true........

That's because they have 98 hours of classroom training every year.

It's just as true.

[Mark Padgett]

The officials think they are bigger than the game

Change the word "officials" to "coaches" and the story would have much more credibility. What I would like to see on this topic is a chart showing the correlation between coach's complaints and their winning percentage. Gee, I wonder which way that would be skewed?

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I can only speak for myself, I've never had an assignor tell me what to call other than rules.

Ok,I can live with that. In the article, how many of those hoppings, palmings/carryings, displacements are viewed as game interrupters by
official(s).

[Adam]

Here's the appropriate question. How many of those "hoppings, palmings, etc." were examples of the coaches not knowing the details of the rule. Example, how many times do you see a legitimate jump stop on the perimeter by a 3-point shooter? I see it quite a bit. Even had that followed (or preceded) by an actual travel I called on the other end. Coach complains, but he's wrong.
How many times does a coach thing displacement is another word for "over the back?"
How many times does a coach want 3 seconds called when it's not appropriate (by rule, not interp)?

Finally, how many of these might simply be missed calls (as in, with so much going on, officials didn't catch something) rather than blatant and purposeful disregard for various rules?

Now, if you call 3 seconds when the post player has a toe on the free throw line....

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Ok,I can live with that. In the article, how many of those hoppings, palmings/carryings, displacements are viewed as game interrupters by
official(s).

What is a "game interrupter"? Please define it.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Here's the appropriate question. How many of those "hoppings, palmings, etc." were examples of the coaches not knowing the details of the rule.(some) Example, how many times do you see a legitimate jump stop on the perimeter by a 3-point shooter?(ALOT) I see it quite a bit. Even had that followed (or preceded) by an actual travel I called on the other end. Coach complains, but he's wrong.
How many times does a coach thing displacement is another word for "over the back?" (I have not had a push from behind interrupted at displacement)
How many times does a coach want 3 seconds called when it's not appropriate (by rule, not interp)? (Most)

Finally, how many of these might simply be missed calls (as in, with so much going on, officials didn't catch something) rather than blatant and purposeful disregard for various rules? (This one bother me the most. IMO, This is just an excuse to CYA)

Now, if you call 3 seconds when the post player has a toe on the free throw line....

Snaqwell, you have identified some valid points. I agree some not most have to do with coaching. What strikes me as odd is we(some officials) look for a reason not to admit we are wrong (some not most) of the time and we do a terrible job in communicating that to coaches.

[JRutledge]

The funny thing about the article is how there is the criticism about the IHSA and evaluating officials.

First of all the IHSA does not assign officials to any regular season game. In Chicago for the most part, if you work any game in any conference, a conference assignor/supervisor likely gave it to you. In other words each coach can complain, praise, ask for clarification on any play or send a tape to that supervisor. I know I have had people complain about something I have done and I heard about it from the supervisor. And coaches and schools have the ear of every supervisor that I work for. You cannot complain to the paper when you do not even know who to talk to in the first place. All the IHSA does is license officials and assign officials for the post season. And at least on the Boy's side the IHSA has to only pick about 190 officials across the state, and if there is someone that does not want to work in the post season, there are more people that make themselves available.

The next thing I found funny about the article and the coaches that seemed to not have a problem, Dorothy Gaters of Marshall won another state title in Girl's basketball. I believe that was her seventh title and first in the new 4 class system. For those that do not know Gene Pingatore of St. Joseph is the same coach that was in the movie "Hoop Dreams" and has won a state title as well. The ironic thing about this article for me is the fact that I had his team in the Regional where he was upset by less talented team in the Regional Championship game. I also work in his conference and have had him probably about 5 times and he has likely not said 2 words to me about calls. I even saw him speak when he received an award from an official's group I belong to and he said that he does not waste time yelling at officials because when coaches do it becomes a distraction to his coaching the kids. In the game I had him that ended his season, he did not yell at us about anything and in the paper said how his kids were not ready to play and that he did not get them ready to play.

And what I really found funny is the claim that "Coaches have to attend rules meetings before the season." The reality is that is not true. All that is required by the IHSA is each school has to be represented at a rules meeting. There is no requirement that each coach must attend those meetings. Usually what happens is a school sends the first time coach who is an assistant on the freshman B team to fulfill the IHSA requirement. And when the season starts it is not uncommon to run into head coaches at all levels that have no idea of the rules changes or POEs that are talked about. A great example of this is the uniform rule that required the jerseys to be white. The IHSA sent out a remedy to not give Ts for every illegal jersey as the rules require and we have known for 3 years this rule was coming. Or the coaches are unaware of the specific points the IHSA wants like an emphasis on coaching box enforcement and when the season starts and you tell a coach to stay in the box they look at you like your head spun around 360 degrees and you turned a different color.

I am also sure there are officials that have told a coach or two to "sit down and shut up." I would be very naive to think that has never happen. Actually I worked with an official that told a coach to "Shut the F up." But this was an old time veteran that time has past and still gets games from certain people only because he has been around. He does not get the best games, but he still works because no one makes a big time fuss. That being said, that is the only time I have heard an officials say that to a coach. And when a coach complains about certain rules or calls that should have been made like traveling or a foul (What is hoping BTW??) they coaches do not even know the rule. For example if they want a travel called, they will say things like, "He cannot get one and a half steps." Or the coaches will ask for traveling on inbounds plays (which happen to me this year).

It just sounds like a bunch of coaches complain because they do not know how to coach and it is easy to blame the officials rather than their ability or the talent they put on the floor. This article was so absurd on many levels it was laughable.

Peace

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What is a "game interrupter"? Please define it.

Jurassic Referee, you have been around for a hundred years. I believe you have an idea on what the term means. However, I will entertain you. a "game interrupter" are calls which by some officials view have minimal impact on the game and can be passed on.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Ok,I can live with that. In the article, how many of those hoppings, palmings/carryings, displacements are viewed as game interrupters by
official(s).

No more so than a 3 second call or a travel or a BI. Just the rules.......

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Snaqwell, you have identified some valid points. I agree some not most have to do with coaching. What strikes me as odd is we(some officials) look for a reason not to admit we are wrong (some not most) of the time and we do a terrible job in communicating that to coaches.

Speak for yourself Kemosabe. I have no problem telling a coach I missed something.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Jurassic Referee, you have been around for a hundred years. I believe you have an idea on what the term means. However, I will entertain you. a "game interrupter" are calls which by some officials view have minimal impact on the game and can be passed on.

I don't have a clue what the term means...mainly because I have never received a rational explanation or definition.

What calls are you talking about when you say they have minimal impact on the game and thus can be be passed on?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I don't have a clue what the term means...mainly because I have never received a rational explanation or definition.

What calls are you talking about when you say they have minimal impact on the game and thus can be be passed on?

JR,

Come on now. I realize you cannot stand the comment, but to act like you have no idea of the comment is kind of silly now.

You might not agree with the term, but do not act like you have no idea what is meant by it. I have seen you make this dance for a few years now. And if you are expecting one definitive answer about what this term means is not very realistic. There are a lot of comments people make that we might not completely agree with, but do not act like you have no idea what it means.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You might not agree with the term, but do not act like you have no idea what is meant by it. I have seen you make this dance for a few years now. And if you are expecting one definitive answer about what this term means is not very realistic. There are a lot of comments people make that we might not completely agree with, but do not act like you have no idea what it means.

Peace

Jeff, so far I've received about 3 or 4 different explanations of what a "game interrupter" is supposed to be. There seems to be different explanations, for some reason.

I also have never received an answer to as to what call that we make isn't a game interrupter. Every time we blow the whistle, we interrupt the game, stop the flow, whatever.

So yes, I really am not sure exactly what a "game interrupter" is supposed to be. And I have yet to have anyone that uses the term give me a definition of it that is plausible.

As near as I can tell, a "game interrupter" usually occurs when someone happens to disagree with a call that you just made.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I don't have a clue what the term means...mainly because I have never received a rational explanation or definition.

What calls are you talking about when you say they have minimal impact on the game and thus can be be passed on?

A game interrupter is any valid/legitimate call you made but your supervisor/observer/evaluator says you should have passed on.