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Adam Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:38am

Fouling out?
 
I see Vitale is once again pushing his plan to eliminate "fouling out" and replace it with, essentially, an intentional foul everytime a player with more than a preset number of fouls (5 or 6) commits another personal foul.

Last year, it was apparently in response to Duke having all their players foul out in a game. This year, it's presumably in response to Georgetown losing their stud with only 16 minutes of playing time.

Gotta love Dickie V; what a maroon.

Mark Padgett Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:43am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Gotta love Dickie V; what a maroon.

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Dan_ref Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:49am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
I see Vitale is once again pushing his plan to eliminate "fouling out" and replace it with, essentially, an intentional foul everytime a player with more than a preset number of fouls (5 or 6) commits another personal foul.

Last year, it was apparently in response to Duke having all their players foul out in a game. This year, it's presumably in response to Georgetown losing their stud with only 16 minutes of playing time.

Gotta love Dickie V; what a maroon.

Everytime I see Dickie V all I can think of is "More cowbell!"

Adam Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:55am

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Everytime I see Dickie V all I can think of is "More cowbell!"

I'd appreciate it if you'd continue directing your ridicule elsewhere. It hurts my feelings.

Raymond Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:50pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
I see Vitale is once again pushing his plan to eliminate "fouling out" and replace it with, essentially, an intentional foul everytime a player with more than a preset number of fouls (5 or 6) commits another personal foul.

Last year, it was apparently in response to Duke having all their players foul out in a game. This year, it's presumably in response to Georgetown losing their stud with only 16 minutes of playing time.

Gotta love Dickie V; what a maroon.

Wasn't that tried for a while in the Big East back in the 80's?

Mark Padgett Mon Mar 24, 2008 01:14pm

Hey - here's a novel idea. If you want to stay in the game, DON'T FOUL!

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Scrapper1 Mon Mar 24, 2008 01:19pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
Wasn't that tried for a while in the Big East back in the 80's?

The Big East experimented with allowing 6 personal fouls before disqualification, but I don't think they ever went to the "no fouling out" that Vitale suggests.

Raymond Mon Mar 24, 2008 01:20pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
The Big East experimented with allowing 6 personal fouls before disqualification, but I don't think they ever went to the "no fouling out" that Vitale suggests.

Maybe it was the ABA or Feeble.

Scrapper1 Mon Mar 24, 2008 01:26pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
Maybe it was the ABA or Feeble.

The NBA actually has a similar provision, but it only kicks in when there are no eligible substitutes left. You can't play with less than 5 players in the NBA, unlike NFHS and NCAA; so when you only have 4 eligible players left, the first player that fouled out returns to the game. Every personal foul he commits also earns a T.

Cajun Reff Mon Mar 24, 2008 01:57pm

if it ain't broke dont fix it

26 Year Gap Mon Mar 24, 2008 03:31pm

Next thing you know, he'll want to tinker with the AP arrow rule...
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Adam Tue Mar 25, 2008 02:39pm

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Originally Posted by Cajun Reff
if it ain't broke dont fix it

It's a variation of the "keep-the-stars-in" mentality.

My understanding is that the Big East gave up the experiment because players were, surprise, commiting more fouls.

tmp44 Tue Mar 25, 2008 04:22pm

On Mike and Mike in the Morning on ESPN radio this morning, Steven A. Smith wholly supported Dickie V's idea. He rationale ... of course ... the horrid nature of officiating both in the college and pro ranks the "last several years." It made me sick just listening to it.

BillyMac Tue Mar 25, 2008 06:38pm

Six Fouls ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
It's a variation of the "keep-the-stars-in" mentality.
My understanding is that the Big East gave up the experiment because players were, surprise, commiting more fouls.

I also remember that there was some concern about Big East players having to adjust to five fouls during the NCAA tournament.

JugglingReferee Tue Mar 25, 2008 07:55pm

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Originally Posted by tmp44
On Mike and Mike in the Morning on ESPN radio this morning, Steven A. Smith wholly supported Dickie V's idea. He rationale ... of course ... the horrid nature of officiating both in the college and pro ranks the "last several years." It made me sick just listening to it.

Steven A. Smith is an idiot. I've never liked him. I cringe when he's on ESPN The Reporters.

Stat-Man Tue Mar 25, 2008 08:03pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
The NBA actually has a similar provision, but it only kicks in when there are no eligible substitutes left. You can't play with less than 5 players in the NBA, unlike NFHS and NCAA; so when you only have 4 eligible players left, the first player that fouled out returns to the game. Every personal foul he commits also earns a T.

Actually, when a team is down to 5 players, once a player commits 6 fouls, he stays in the game, but any foul after the 6th is both a technical and a personal foul.

If one of the 5 players on the floor is injured or disqualified, than one of the disqualified players on the bench can enter (in reverse order of disqualification) with a technical foul assessed for the substitution.

(Spending 2 years at a pro-rule summer league helped me nail this rule :D )

Scrapper1 Wed Mar 26, 2008 07:27am

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Originally Posted by Stat-Man
Actually, when a team is down to 5 players, once a player commits 6 fouls, he stays in the game, but any foul after the 6th is both a technical and a personal foul.

If one of the 5 players on the floor is injured or disqualified, than one of the disqualified players on the bench can enter (in reverse order of disqualification) with a technical foul assessed for the substitution.

Ok, thanks for the correction. It's been a long time since I actually tried to know the NBA rules, but I thought I had that one right. So once you're down to 5 players, you play the rest of the game with those 5 players, unless one gets hurt? That makes sense.

I actually combined the two rules in my head, sorry.

Stat-Man Wed Mar 26, 2008 03:18pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Ok, thanks for the correction. It's been a long time since I actually tried to know the NBA rules, but I thought I had that one right. So once you're down to 5 players, you play the rest of the game with those 5 players, unless one gets hurt? That makes sense.

I actually combined the two rules in my head, sorry.

Not a problem. :) But yes, when a team is down to 5 players under NBA rules, those 5 players finish the game barring injury or ejection.

The scorer is required to record the time when a player is disqualified so that in the event a previously-disqualified player has to re-enter the game to maintain 5 players, the disqualified players enter in the proper order (most recent first, I believe).

At the same league, we had a game where one of the teams had just 5 players show up. In the third quarter, one went down with a sprained ankle and his team had to default. Since it was the last game of the night, that made up for being behind schedule. :D

26 Year Gap Wed Mar 26, 2008 07:48pm

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Originally Posted by Stat-Man
Not a problem. :) But yes, when a team is down to 5 players under NBA rules, those 5 players finish the game barring injury or ejection.

The scorer is required to record the time when a player is disqualified so that in the event a previously-disqualified player has to re-enter the game to maintain 5 players, the disqualified players enter in the proper order (most recent first, I believe).

At the same league, we had a game where one of the teams had just 5 players show up. In the third quarter, one went down with a sprained ankle and his team had to default. Since it was the last game of the night, that made up for being behind schedule. :D

Did they see you trip him?:D


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