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PADist1Ref Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:26pm

UCLA team control foul
 
UCLA player gets stripped and fouls when trying to recover loose ball. No FT's awarded as ruling is team control. Crew got this right last night right? Team control is maintained in a loose ball situation until other team gains control, correct?

Scrapper1 Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:30pm

Team control continues until:
  • Other team gains control
  • Ball is released on a try
  • Ball becomes dead.

Snake~eyes Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:45pm

They got the play correct. Scrappy posted pertinent info.

Mark Padgett Sun Mar 23, 2008 01:18pm

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Originally Posted by Snake~eyes
They got the play correct. Scrappy posted pertinent info.

Scrappy's always right.

http://www.platypuscomix.net/interactive/scrappydoo.jpg

Mark Padgett Sun Mar 23, 2008 03:39pm

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Originally Posted by PADist1Ref
UCLA player gets stripped

Were you watching pay-per-view? :p

BktBallRef Sun Mar 23, 2008 04:34pm

Although some Texas_Aggie fans disagree... :)

...they made the correct call.

mightyvol Sun Mar 23, 2008 08:10pm

Did anyone see this? And if soo, I would like to hear what the veterans have to say about it. Thanks.

http://www.texags.com/main/forum.rep...800&forum_id=7

bob jenkins Sun Mar 23, 2008 08:16pm

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Originally Posted by mightyvol
Did anyone see this?

Aparently, yes.

Quote:

And if soo, I would like to hear what the veterans have to say about it. Thanks.

http://www.texags.com/main/forum.rep...800&forum_id=7
Can't tell much from a picture. Even if the call was missed (and I have no idea what was or wasn't called and whther it was missed or not), so what?

BillyMac Sun Mar 23, 2008 08:25pm

My Two Cents ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mightyvol
Did anyone see this? And if soo, I would like to hear what the veterans have to say about it. Thanks.

http://www.texags.com/main/forum.rep...800&forum_id=7

The "Not A Foul" photo looks like a foul, unless there's something missing in the photo, like a travel, player control foul, three seconds, etc., before the photo. It may also be a multiple foul, which is seldom, if ever, called.

The "Foul" photo? I'd like to see if there was any body contact below the frame of the photo. Can't say without more information.

How many calls, and no calls, did the officials get right in this game? How many calls, or no calls, did they get wrong. How many mistakes were made by the players in the game? How many decisions were wrong by the coaches? I'll bet the ratio of correct calls to incorrect calls by the officials was a lot higher than the ratio of unforced mistakes by the players and coaches. Until you officiated a game of this magnitude, I wouldn't make a lot of comments on the officiating. What's that saying about "walking a mile in a man's shoes"?

JRutledge Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:12pm

I love it when people show a snap shot and think that proves something. For one we have no idea what took place a second before or a second after the photo. For all we know a foul might have been called on the play. For all we know there was contact with the ball first. We have no idea. And this is why stupid fans always try to bring a photo but do not want to discuss anything that took place before or after the play.

Peace

Raymond Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mightyvol
Did anyone see this? And if soo, I would like to hear what the veterans have to say about it. Thanks.

http://www.texags.com/main/forum.rep...800&forum_id=7

The "not a foul" pic is the last shot attempt by Texas A&M v. UCLA. On the initial live action play I thought "good block". When they showed the replay I said "oops, looked like a foul". But the 3 officials on the court don't have still photographs and replays to determine fouls. Plus, I didn't see the whole game so I don't know what similar plays may have been "not a foul" on the other end.

socalreff Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:51pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
The "not a foul" pic is the last shot attempt by Texas A&M v. UCLA. On the initial live action play I thought "good block". When they showed the replay I said "oops, looked like a foul". But the 3 officials on the court don't have still photographs and replays to determine fouls. Plus, I didn't see the whole game so I don't know what similar plays may have been "not a foul" on the other end.

I saw the whole game including this play about 10 times. The first time I saw it live, I thought it was a good block. However, after seeing it back it was definitely a foul. The officials only get one chance and I think Shipp's play on the shooter was so quick it was difficult to tell live if it was clean. It does seem like UCLA has been getting the long end of the stick at the end of games this season.

Adam Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:01am

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Originally Posted by socalreff
I saw the whole game including this play about 10 times. The first time I saw it live, I thought it was a good block. However, after seeing it back it was definitely a foul. The officials only get one chance and I think Shipp's play on the shooter was so quick it was difficault to tell live if it was clean. It does seem like UCLA has been geeting the long end of the stick at the end of games this season.

Maybe the refs are just getting caught up in the emotion of it all. :(

Brad Mon Mar 24, 2008 03:20am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
On the initial live action play I thought "good block". When they showed the replay I said "oops, looked like a foul".

Agreed. From the side angle view it was hard to tell because you don't have a good look at the play. From the replay shown from the opposite end of the court (camera underneath the opposite basket) it looked like a foul.

We all know that what you see on the court doesn't always match up with what the camera shows. That's our goal - to get the calls right and have the video reflect that, but it unfortunately isn't always what happens. We don't have the angle from each of the official's views, so it's impossible for us to say what we would have done in that situation.

However, the Aggies have no one one to blame but Kevin Love, who simply PWNED them in the final 4-5 minutes.

Raymond Mon Mar 24, 2008 07:24am

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Originally Posted by Brad

However, the Aggies have no one one to blame but Kevin Love, who simply PWNED them in the final 4-5 minutes.

Along with all his jewelry????

tomegun Mon Mar 24, 2008 07:49am

I was in Vegas at one of my friend's house watching this game and I was giving him the business about UCLA's good fortunes lately. He took it all in good stride - he has been rather close to the situation. :)

socalreff Mon Mar 24, 2008 09:36am

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Originally Posted by tomegun
I was in Vegas at one of my friend's house watching this game and I was giving him the business about UCLA's good fortunes lately. He took it all in good stride - he has been rather close to the situation. :)

You wouldn't be talking about BM would you?

Raymond Mon Mar 24, 2008 09:38am

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Originally Posted by socalreff
You wouldn't be talking about BM would you?

Isn't that what Pepto Bismal is for?

Mark Dexter Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:06am

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Originally Posted by tomegun
I was in Vegas at one of my friend's house watching this game and I was giving him the business about UCLA's good fortunes lately. He took it all in good stride - he has been rather close to the situation. :)

Hey!! This is off-topic! Take it to the football forum!

dblref Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:34am

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Originally Posted by socalreff
I saw the whole game including this play about 10 times. The first time I saw it live, I thought it was a good block. However, after seeing it back it was definitely a foul. The officials only get one chance and I think Shipp's play on the shooter was so quick it was difficult to tell live if it was clean. It does seem like UCLA has been getting the long end of the stick at the end of games this season.

You saw the whole game 10 times? Why? Did you think the score would change? If you believe the 3 officials missed this call, then they apparently did not receive their training in CA. As everyone knows, the CA trained officicals are ready for college ball in only 3 years. Maybe they need remedial training. :) UCLA definitely got outplayed until Love decided to take over for a couple of minutes.

Jurassic Referee Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:40am

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Originally Posted by dblref
If you believe the 3 officials missed this call, then they apparently did not receive their training in CA. As everyone knows, the CA trained officials are ready for college ball in only 3 years. Maybe they need remedial training.

LOL......:D

tomegun Mon Mar 24, 2008 06:57pm

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Originally Posted by socalreff
You wouldn't be talking about BM would you?

Yes. He is one of my best friends with or without basketball. I stay at his house every time I go back home (Vegas).

eyezen Mon Mar 24, 2008 08:15pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Maybe the refs are just getting caught up in the emotion of it all. :(


I'm thinking they lost their poise.

fullor30 Mon Mar 24, 2008 08:16pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
Isn't that what Pepto Bismal is for?

That's dismal and abysmal!

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DadofTwins Tue Mar 25, 2008 02:10pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac
What's that saying about "walking a mile in a man's shoes"?

"Before you criticize, walk a mile in a man's shoes. That way, when you do you'll be a mile away and you'll have his shoes."

Raymond Tue Mar 25, 2008 02:24pm

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Originally Posted by DadofTwins
"Before you criticize, walk a mile in a man's shoes. That way, when you do you'll be a mile away and you'll have his shoes."

LOL...you ain't the father of the Lopez twins, are you?

socalreff Tue Mar 25, 2008 05:04pm

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Originally Posted by tomegun
Yes. He is one of my best friends with or without basketball. I stay at his house every time I go back home (Vegas).

Very cool. He's one of the nicest guys I've met in this business.
He always has time for people.:)

socalreff Tue Mar 25, 2008 06:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dblref
You saw the whole game 10 times? Why? Did you think the score would change? If you believe the 3 officials missed this call, then they apparently did not receive their training in CA. As everyone knows, the CA trained officicals are ready for college ball in only 3 years. Maybe they need remedial training. :) UCLA definitely got outplayed until Love decided to take over for a couple of minutes.

I watch a lot of video. It's the best way for me to get better. I don't just watch plays to see if it was right or wrong; I watch to see positioning and communication among other things.
I never said that CA officials are ready in 3 years. I said the opportunity in SoCal in my area is there to be ready in 3 years. Not everybody does all the work some of us have done to get prepared. Not everybody improves at the same rate or starts at the same point. All the officials I've seen advance that quickly were former collegiate players which I think gives one a feel for the game that is hard to duplicate.

Raymond Wed Mar 26, 2008 07:46am

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Originally Posted by socalreff
All the officials I've seen advance that quickly were former collegiate players which I think gives one a feel for the game that is hard to duplicate.

Or gives one a very good network of the "right" people.

grunewar Wed Mar 26, 2008 08:13am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
Or gives one a very good network of the "right" people.

BadNews - You're not referring to politics are you? Shocked, I am!! That's a different thread! ;)


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