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I like 0.3 because it's consistent. Similar to an end of game situation where one team is trying to foul on a throw-in. If you deem the player caught it before the foul, you take off at least 0.4 -- it keeps it consistent. This is one area where the NBA staff is the best in the world -- knowing the clock, and it helps them to have specific language for these situations. I'm not saying anything about any other aspects of NBA officiating. |
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You can catch and shoot with 0.4 or more and you can tap with 0.3 or less....as a barometer or measuring stick. Question -- If the ball is inbounded and touched before going out, and no time goes off, are you gonna leave it or take time off? |
My point has nothing to do with whether your approach makes sense. My point is you cannot do what you're suggesting, by rule. If the NFHS wants it (and the NCAA), then they should add it. Lord knows they've had time to do it if they want. They haven't.
To answer your question. I'd leave it on, because there's no rule that allows me to take any time off there. Now, I'll address whether it makes sense (aside from the rules.) It doesn't. The time it takes to catch and shoot has nothing to do with the time it takes a punched ball to travel out of bounds. They're two completely different acts. Now, to the |
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I prefer the NBA rule, but at the NCAA/NFHS level, you have NO rule support whatsoever for doing that. Unless you have definitive knowledge of the time involved, it's a timer's error that you can't correct. If you're working NCAA, you may be able to go to the monitor with a stopwatch, but even that won't be 100% accurate. |
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c. Timing. 2. Determine whether a timing mistake has occurred in either starting or stopping the game clock. Determination is based on the judgment of the official. Such a mistake shall be corrected during the first dead ball or during the next live ball but before the ball is touched inbounds or out of bounds by a player. When the clock should have been continuously running, the mistake shall be corrected before the second live ball is touched inbounds or out of bounds by a player. No timing mistake correction shall be carried over from one half or extra period to another. Such a mistake shall be corrected before the start of intermission. It says nothing about DEFINITE KNOWLEDGE like people keep trying to use high school language. It is a JUDGMENT CALL!!! This language was specifically put in (heard directly from Struckoff and Nichols) to allow the officials to do the right thing. |
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See NCAA rule 5-11-1--<i>"When a timing mistake has occurred because of the failure to start or stop the clock properly, the mistake shall be corrected <b>ONLY</b> when the referee has <b>DEFINITE INFORMATION</b> relative to the time involved."</i> Rule 5-11-4 also says <i>"definite information relative to the mistake...".</i> The FED and NCAA rules are basically the same except for the monitor being allowed to gain definite information under NCAA rules. |
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"When play is resumed by throw in, the game clock and the shot clock shall be started when the ball is <b>legally</b> touched by or touches a player on the playing court." If the officials ruled that the ball was fisted, replays showed that the fist was the initial touch, which was a violation, so the clock would stay 1.5 since there was no legal touch. If the clock were to start on any touch, there would be no need to stipulate "legally" in the book. I do agree with you that 0.7 sideline inbound doesn't make sense given the info that we have. |
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