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mightyvol Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:47am

While we are talking about $$$ How much do you make?
 
I know that this topic has been covered in the past, but I am curious to know the avg. rates around the country. I will state that I live in the SW corner of Minnesota and I work 50-60 nights of Varsity basketball a year, both boys and girls. On average we earn around 90.00-100.00 a night for doing 2 games a night during the regular season. The rates apply for both 2 man and 3 man. Most of our games are done with 2, but 3 is becoming more and more common. When the playoffs arrive we are paid 75.00-85.00 for one game and mileage pay is included, which is 0.50 a mile. I know that this isnt something that we are going to get rich at, but was curious to know with the increase in gas prices around the country are you guys raising your rates? Thanks

mightyvol

Cajun Reff Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mightyvol
I know that this topic has been covered in the past, but I am curious to know the avg. rates around the country. I will state that I live in the SW corner of Minnesota and I work 50-60 nights of Varsity basketball a year, both boys and girls. On average we earn around 90.00-100.00 a night for doing 2 games a night during the regular season. The rates apply for both 2 man and 3 man. Most of our games are done with 2, but 3 is becoming more and more common. When the playoffs arrive we are paid 75.00-85.00 for one game and mileage pay is included, which is 0.50 a mile. I know that this isnt something that we are going to get rich at, but was curious to know with the increase in gas prices around the country are you guys raising your rates? Thanks

mightyvol


LHSAA pay scale
Registered: $31/JV or V game + $15 flat fee travel
Approved: $33/JV or V game + $15 flat fee travel
Certified: $35/JV or V game + $15 flat fee travel

Freshmen games: $25 flat/game + $15 flat fee travel
Junior High Games: $26/game no travel

Typical HS night for R1 of a 2 Man crew= JV game ($35) + Varsity ($35) + $15 travel = $85

Typical HS night for U1 of a 2 Man crew= JV game ($33) + Varsity ($33) + $15 travel = $81

JerryLundagard Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:21pm

St. Louis, MO area
Varsity 3 person $60
Varsity 2 person $66
JV/V doubleheader about $95
Not sure about the lower level but I would guess it is in the neighborhood of $45 a game.

None of the schools in the metro area pay any travel expenses.

If you get outside of the St. Louis metro area the fees drop off and most of the games are two person. However some schools do pay mileage.

loners4me Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:23pm

Central IL -

Freshman and JV - $40/game
Varsity $50-$60/game

Lower level stuff $25/game

I hit the court hard and usually make about $7500 a season.

rockchalk jhawk Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:23pm

Kansas Pay
 
JUCO/NAIA D2
$160-165

High School Varsity
$90-100 for a B & G Dbl header (All 3 whistle)

Sub Varsity & Frosh
$30-40 per game, 1-3 games per night (about 1/3 is 3 whistle, rest 2 whistle)

Middle School
$27.50-35 per game, 2-3 games per night (believe it or not, a handful do 3 whistle)

No Mileage

Playoffs (High School)
---------------------
Regionals
$50/game and $.36/mi

Substate
$55/game and $.36/mi

State
$60/game (at least 2 games for the trip), food, hotel for one night and $.36/mi (I think this is right, never worked a state tourney)

som44 Fri Mar 07, 2008 01:46pm

New Hampshire..almost all two man

$76 varsity plus $10 over 40 miles
$56 JV

JFlores Fri Mar 07, 2008 05:30pm

Houston Texas

Subvarsity Level

1 Game $50
2 Game $65

Tournament $30/game + 20 travel fee

I like baseball more.

ace Fri Mar 07, 2008 09:06pm

Houston Varsity depends.

Its anywhere from 55 to 95 depending on where the school is in relation to Houston.

26 Year Gap Fri Mar 07, 2008 09:40pm

VT Varsity $55 plus mileage at IRS rate less assignment fee of $2
JV/Frosh $35 plus mileage at most schools
same rate for 3 man at varsity level

Next year is $65/$40

Following year is $75/$45

Some consideration is being given to the NH model.

BillyMac Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:08pm

Connecticut
 
Varsity $82.17
Varsity League Playoffs (preliminary, semi’s) $91.04
(finals) $98.35
Junior Varsity Games $53.27
Freshman Games $53.27
Freshman Games (worked alone) $79.91
Middle School $53.27
Middle School (worked alone) $79.91

All two-man games. No mileage. Each year our raise is the same as the average teacher salary raise in the State.

Larks Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:45am

Ohio
 
Regular Season (no mileage paid)
Varsity $50 - $63
FR / JV double headers: $55 - $75
FR / JV Single: $25 - $40

Tournament (Plus $1 / mile over 50)
Sectional - $70
District - $100
Regional - $135
State - $185

Juco - $80 - 100
NCCAA - $85 - $150

mightyvol Sat Mar 08, 2008 02:15am

Just got done working a small class Section Final in Minnesota and had to drive 140 miles round trip.....made 85.00 to work the game and got 70.00 on top of that for mileage.....add it all up it was a 155.00 night. Not bad nights work....we had over 3,000 people in the stands that got their moneys worth....what an adrenaline rush. Ive been working these games the last 10 years in this area, the winner goes on to represent this part of the state in the Minnesota State High School League Basketball Tournament. What an atmosphere it doesnt get much better than this at the high school level....my ears are still ringing.

bigdogrunnin Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:11am

SE Texas, in and around Houston:

$35/game - 2-person Varsity Boys/Girls (one game), plus mileage (normally a prearranged rate now depending upon distance travelled . . . $15, $20, up to $35)

$30/game 3-person Varsity Boys/Girls (one game), plus mileage (normally a prearranged rate now depending upon distance travelled . . . $15, $20, up to $35)

From the University Interscholastic League (UIL) - Texas' Extracurricular Governing Body . . .

Basketball
Two-Person Crew
Gross Gate Receipts 1 Game 2 Games
Up to $150 35.00 60.00
$150 to $300 45.00 70.00
$300 to $500 60.00 85.00
$500 to $700 65.00 90.00
$700 to $1,000 70.00 100.00
$1,000 to $1,500 80.00 110.00
$1,500 to $2,000 90.00 120.00
Each adtl. $1,000 20.00

Three-Person Crew
Up to $150 30.00 50.00
$150 to $300 40.00 60.00
$300 to $500 45.00 65.00
$500 to $700 50.00 70.00
$700 to $1,000 55.00 75.00
$1,000 to $1,500 65.00 85.00
$1,500 to $2,000 75.00 95.00
Each adtl. $1,000 20.00

In games I have worked the past 2-3 years, the least I have made for ONE Varsity game (Boys or Girls) is $50, including mileage. The most I have made was a 3A Varsity Boys playoff game this year . . . $155. I average $60/game (Varsity).

dave30 Tue Apr 01, 2008 03:32pm

I found a 6th grade boys league that pays $50 per game with no parent problems!:) I turn down school games for these sometimes.

Nevadaref Tue Apr 01, 2008 04:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave30
I found a 6th grade boys league that pays $50 per game with no parent problems!:) I turn down school games for these sometimes.

April Fool's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dave30 Tue Apr 01, 2008 05:30pm

I swear it's not April Fools !!!

I met a guy who owns his own gym and he pays us $50 to ref his son's games. Then he started inviting other teams to come play and we have ended up with a nice little league. If we do two games he pays $80 cash, and one game is $50 cash. Best deal around. It's the only 6th grade league I know of that has all college or HS varsity officials working it.

If we ever have any parent problems, which we haven't so far, they would get kicked out since it is a private residence. You can't beat a deal like that !

Mark Padgett Tue Apr 01, 2008 06:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave30
I met a guy who owns his own gym and he pays us $50 to ref his son's games. Then he started inviting other teams to come play

So.....before any other teams came over, who did his son's team play? Themselves? Nobody? If so, who won? :confused:

OK - here's the smiley face so you know I'm just teasing. :)

tomegun Tue Apr 01, 2008 07:33pm

I currently live in Mississippi. I'm ashamed to say how much (little) we make, but it seems to be about half as most of the country!

Mark Padgett Tue Apr 01, 2008 09:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun
I currently live in Mississippi. I'm ashamed to say how much (little) we make, but it seems to be about half as most of the country!

Yeah, but the cost of living down there is pretty cheap. I mean, after all, how much do moonshine and grits really cost? :D

HAHA - just a joke.

just another ref Tue Apr 01, 2008 09:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajun Reff
LHSAA pay scale
Registered: $31/JV or V game + $15 flat fee travel
Approved: $33/JV or V game + $15 flat fee travel
Certified: $35/JV or V game + $15 flat fee travel

Freshmen games: $25 flat/game + $15 flat fee travel
Junior High Games: $26/game no travel

Typical HS night for R1 of a 2 Man crew= JV game ($35) + Varsity ($35) + $15 travel = $85

Typical HS night for U1 of a 2 Man crew= JV game ($33) + Varsity ($33) + $15 travel = $81

Cajun, where did you get these numbers? The official pay scale, according to the sheet I have from the rules clinic, as well as the website, is actually, for varsity, per official, per game:

2 person: $36 Certified $34 Approved $33 Registered

3 person: $31 $29 $28

playoffs: $60 $55 $50


There is no amount on anything I have for subvarsity games and travel pay, as these are hammered out between the officials association and the principals of the participating schools.

just another ref Tue Apr 01, 2008 09:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Yeah, but the cost of living down there is pretty cheap. I mean, after all, how much do moonshine and grits really cost? :D

HAHA - just a joke.


Both made from corn,which is priced at all-time record highs.
You city people. :rolleyes:

dave30 Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
So.....before any other teams came over, who did his son's team play? Themselves? Nobody? If so, who won? :confused:

OK - here's the smiley face so you know I'm just teasing. :)


His son's team played in a local rec league. At first, they would just invite one of the other teams from the league to come play one game. We did that for a while. Then, other teams in the league said they would rather play games at his place instead of the rec league. So, we ended up with a six team league that played three nights per week. We've had two ten week sessions so far and the occasional one game night when other teams get invited that aren't in the six team league. It's fun!

Raymond Wed Apr 02, 2008 07:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave30
His son's team played in a local rec league. At first, they would just invite one of the other teams from the league to come play one game. We did that for a while. Then, other teams in the league said they would rather play games at his place instead of the rec league. So, we ended up with a six team league that played three nights per week. We've had two ten week sessions so far and the occasional one game night when other teams get invited that aren't in the six team league. It's fun!

Who owns this place, Michael Jackson?

tomegun Wed Apr 02, 2008 07:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Yeah, but the cost of living down there is pretty cheap. I mean, after all, how much do moonshine and grits really cost? :D

HAHA - just a joke.

Good one...and partially true. :D

dave30 Fri Apr 04, 2008 05:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
Who owns this place, Michael Jackson?

I don't want to give out his name, but there are lots of guys in the Dallas area who can afford to build their own gym. Just not everybody does it.

Adam Fri Apr 04, 2008 09:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave30
It's the only 6th grade league I know of that has all college or HS varsity officials working it.

Amazing how this concept works:
You get what you pay for.

budjones05 Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:48am

Missouri and Kansas


Jr High--No more than $65 a game
Freshman--No more than $75
JV---------No more than $75
Varsity-----No LESS than $75. No more than $100
JV/V-------No Less than $75. No Less than $95

This depends on the price your association agrees to and if you don't have an association, it depends on your school AD.



Sometimes we get paid mileage. Which can can be anywhere from 10 cents to 35 cents. Sometimes we have a flat rate, $20. Others may not pay for mileage.

Boone12 Fri Apr 04, 2008 01:09pm

Ref Rates in Alaska
 
Here in Arctic Alaska we do as much 3-person reffing as possible for the varsity games. Ironically, when our small schools go to state they use 2-person.

We get about 5 weekends of home games with two varsity games each weekend, and three tournaments with 10+ games. Not much practice compared to you folks in the big leagues.

3-person varsity: $55/official
2-person varsity: $65/official
2-person JV: $40/official
2-person MS: $25/official

Clock/book $25 each

LongIslandZebra Fri Apr 04, 2008 01:49pm

Long Island, NY Fees:

Only use the 2 man system

Varsity: 110.33

JV: 89.12

JH: 75

All of these will go up 3-4 dollars a year based on our contract. We usually get about 12 varsity assignments a year, no lower level. If you are a lower level guy figure on about 15 assignments. There is no travel fee, and girls games are covered by a whole different association. Playoffs start at a 10% raise for the first round and work their way up to about 40% for the finals.


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