SC 4A Final - you make the call
 

Incredible finish. Watch the last minute.

http://videos.thestate.com/vmix_host...dia?id=1746223

I'm having trouble getting the video to play for some reason, but it certainly has been the talk in officiating circles around here. Tough ending to the game for one of the teams regardless of whether the call was right.

Was there a previous thread on this? I couldn't see the video as well. Can somebody post the sitch?

That was awesome.
 

Pretty good camera work for static, one shot angle.

Green, up 2 with 1.7 seconds..
 

...misses FT,
Looks to me like the clock started properly when White player grabbed rebound.
He takes one dribbe to the side and launches a herculean try from 75 feet and it goes!
Refs confer and wave off the shot. Green wins.

My first impression was that I heard the horn before the shot.
The camera gets jiggley from .4 seconds down to zero, so hard to say definitively.

rumperee has it right...state championship game, Summerville up 2 misses a FT with 1.7 seconds left, ball is rebounded in lane, bit of action there, outlet, and then a 3/4-court shot goes. Officials get together to confer before waiving it off.

Quite a bit of controversy, and losing coach was fairly unsportsmanlike about it at the post-game ceremony, taking the runner-up trophy and slamming it down on the scorer's table then leaving with his team.

Pretty interesting, to say the least!

Looks to me the officials made the correct call,If you watch the backboard behind the player you will see it turn red before he let the shot go.

Wow, incredible finish! From what I could see looks like a good, tough call. Agree, hard to tell though if the ball is out of the "shooter/thrower's" hand when the light goes on and horn sounds.

When it's tourney time, only one team wins the last game!

I'd also add, just from what I've been told, that many in attendance think there was a difference between the light on the board and the horn. No idea if that's fan-boy talk, but it's what I heard the day after from some officials around here.

Needless to say, that's a tough, tough call and an amazing ending to the ball game. Lots of good state final games here in SC this year.

I have to agree!! That is a tough, tough play to get right. From the camera angle it does, "kinda," seem like the LED lights are on while the ball is in the shooters hand, maybe.

The horn almost sounds like it came after the shot. Who knows with the quality of the video feed. Since light travels faster then sound I could see where some would think they weren't synced.

This looks like the same angle of the play but clearly shows the ball in the air before the LED lights come on. Take a look...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwkbjxUR1DE

At first look, I thought he got it off. After 10 more looks I didn't change my mind. I've always been instructed that if you're not sure, you gotta count it. It looked to me like nobody was sure and they guessed. And if you're not sure, why not reward the great play so you can have a great story? :)

Maybe we can generate 15 pages hounding these officials, making assumptions (ie "they guessed"), and second guessing these guys, who got assigned a state final game, on a play they had to decide on the spot without benefit of instant replay repeated over and over again in slow motion.

Why think they guessed?
 

I didn't see any footage of the referees making the call.
Or, is the assumption that, because they were caucusing, that they did not have a definitive 'no shot' amongst'em?

Surely, with 1.7 on the clock, they were prepared.

From the video and having the luxury to replay over and over, I think it was a good call.

Why pick one side over another? That makes zero sense to me.

You do what these guys did. Get as much collective input as possible and then make the call based on that input. Without being able to go to the monitor, that's about the best you can do. Somehow though imo, I think that the input should never include something like "We just gotta count it because that that was a great shot and we'll have a great story.":rolleyes:

If you look at the OP video, at the 40-36 second mark (the replay), you can see what appears to be the opposite side official at the bottom of the screen waiving off the basket.

With that logic why don't they ref nude?..........it would be a great story:D

Why is the lead/new trail so wide?
 

He moves up the sideline (far side of the court).
How can he see release and clock from there?
I guess he could see player and clock on green's basket.

Is it safe to assume he would have the responsibility to call a white shot?

ps. all my posts have no knowledge of 3 person mechanics.

Well, sure, why not? Sounds like more fun than calling each other misogynists, fanboys, Donaghys, bus-runners, etc. Let's gang up on a couple of random refs who aren't here to defend themselves. Yup, yup, yup.

For someone who knows the rules as well as you do, that's a surprising response. Directly from the book:
"When the evidence for counting or not counting the goal is equal, the referee shall rule that the goal counts."

I'm sure a member of the Irish Defense League will come by soon enough to arrange for your re-education sessions.

I have looked at that thing 20 times and that is a hard one! My apologies to the referees who have to endure the lashing they are going to take from the Spartanburg fans.

That reference has little or nothing to do with the play that took place. The official got together because not only did the play decide the state finals title, they wanted to be sure someone else did not have another angle. And what evidence do you have that they were not sure the goal should not have counted. They got together and made a decision. I must be missing something here.

Peace

Yup. The ability to read minds over the internet and across time.

I'm going to assume some things, and we all know what that means, they huddled and decided that it wasn't good. I know what you're saying, I just don't think they all went Switzerland and would say what the heck, give it to them.

I'm probably wrong, but it's either a good or not good call based on what they saw and collectively decided. Can you imagine the comment, "We couldn't decide either way, so we gave them the basket".

Yet, as you stated it is in the 'good book'.

Tough, tough, tough call.

I still say from the video, it wasn't good.

Thanks for the youtube link, it's the first I've actually been able to see the play.

It's about as close as close can get - my impression of the video is that the shot probably was off in time, but no way to tell for sure due to the quality of video.

Those are outstanding officials that got that game (biggest class boys championship gets the "highest rated" around here), and I'm sure they made the call based on all the evidence they had.

Put me down for this one too. Saves me writing out a response.

Thanks, Jeff.

Yah he got it off for sure. But real time tough call. I wonder what the first signal was

I find this funny. You say "for sure," yet a good number of those who have seen the video say otherwise. If people can't agree after looking at the same replay, how in the hell can we second guess the guys on the court at the time?

BTW, I recognize that you aren't second guessing them, lp.

Its amazing to me how easy it is to call a play like this from the comfort of my lounge chair with the ability to stop/play, stop/play. You most definitely cannot fault the officials for a play that is this close without the ability to go to a courtside monitor for either ruling it go or not, IMO.

If you look @ the Youtube video and pause it @ the 38 second mark, then play/pause all the way up until the shot is released you can see the ball in the air while the LED lights are not on around the backboard.

Again this is with us slowing a real time play down & watching it over and over again to see. IMO, this would be next to impossible to know for sure if it was good or not. I'm not saying they guessed, I'm just saying that as close as the play was it could've went either way.

Really?!?! It has nothing to do with this play? This play is exactly why that specific language is in the book. Do you honestly believe there's any chance they were sure it wasn't released in time? There's really no way that could be the case since the replay showed he got it off. And the verbiage is in the book to back the officials in cases like this. If you're not sure, count it. I had a play just like that this season and we counted the basket exactly because we had no definite knowledge that it wasn't good.

How do you know there is doubt? Did you talk to the officials after the game? Did you read their minds based on the video?

The replay was not a very good angle. Near the floor with being almost a half court away is not a very good angle to determine much of anything. Not even the angle the officials would have had to make the call.

Well you need to go back and read the rulebook. The rule only says the Referee makes a decision if the calling officials disagree. There is no evidence of a disagreement. Did the officials make two different signals? Did the official argue as to what should happen? You have no idea unless you have some kind of conversation with the guys after the game. And there is no evidence that they are totally unsure of the result of the basket. It looks to me that the calling official did not want to put such a call on his shoulders and his shoulders alone and they all got together to help with another angle. I completely commend them for doing so. We are not the officials on the court. The officials on the court I am sure had a different take on the play and what they saw on a video. And the angle is so bad that even if you can see the play more clearly, it is still not the best angle to determine the result of such a close play.

Peace

And if they <b>ARE</b> sure that it was too late, they don't count it. The officials got together and they were sure it was too late. That's why your cite is completely irrelevant.

See rule 2-5-3. Note that this article only comes into play <b>IF</b> the officials disagree. Quite obviously the officials <b>DIDN'T</b> disagree. They waved the basket off.

Bingo!

When I saw the video on the news website, I thought that the shot was late.
After seeing it on youtube, I believe the opposite. I was able to pause the clip at 33 seconds and the ball is definitely in flight.

Tough call. Big call. Very close.

I can't really tell in the video, but can anyone say with certainty that the ball was out of his hands before the horn? The rule is clear the quarter ends at the sound of the horn. In the video it appears that the ball was clearly in flight when the horn went off and one of official was is in perfect position to see that because he was even with the ball when it was going over half court and the horn sounds.

Please provide a RULE reference where I can find this quote.

Looking at the slo-mo replay, the center official clearly comes across the floor and is emphatically waving the shot off. So I have no idea why you think they were guessing.

Here, here.

I wish they would make some sort of tv/video exception of the big games like State playoffs. Not for the regular season though. I'm not sure if the equipment was there for that game. The video could have been shot by a fan so that would not be allowed. Instead the refs are put in a very tough place and are forced to decide a victor. Sorry, but I don't buy that refs don't decide the game argument. They did in this case and it looks like they got it wrong although I can't fault them for it because it was such a difficult call. If they could have reviewed it perhaps they would have overturned it. Only reviews for a few types of plays.

---FoxSpots here in California were showing the high school state games on tv and they had highlights. It was obvious on a play the ball did not cross the line for a touchdown. They did it in slow motion. If there is access then why not use it in a very limited fashion?

Guessing
 

Have you ever had a call that you thought you nailed and then looked at it on tape and were clearly wrong? When this has happened to me, and I try to review as many of my games as possible, I say I must have guessed.
The one reason I say they were guessing is because they got it wrong. The ball was clearly in flight before the LED light and the horn. And I'm not saying they should have known for sure either way.... it was a highly unusual play with a quick release from 80 feet. We all get plays wrong. All I was doing was using book language to back what I have done and will continue to do in those situations. I had a double overtime game this year and we had buzzer beater shots at the end of regulation to tie it, 1st overtime to tie it, and the 2nd overtime to win it. On first one, the gym was so loud no one on the crew could hear the horn and it was so close that we had no definite knowledge it shouldn't count, so we counted it. 2nd shot we had definite knowledge as the ball was released with .4 and the 3rd was released with .3 on the clock.

I think this is the key to the whole thing. C is ahead of the play, not sure which way he was looking. T is on the opposite side of the court, probably with no angle to peek at a clock in anticipation of this shot. Moreover, I would guess that everybody's first thought, including the officials, was, "WOW, HE MADE IT!"
even before they thought, "Was it in time?"

What does any of this have to do with how the officials came to their conclusion on this call? They could not review tape. Even if there was using college rules, the tape would not be at this angle or on the floor 50 feet away from the play.

Clearly is not a word I would use in this case.

Some of us are still waiting for that rules reference you claim you quoted.

Where is the rules reference to back that up? Because there is nothing in any rule I have seen that says you can count a basket just because you are not sure. You pulled that out of the sky. That is why you have yet to show the reference yet.

It Depends On Who You Mean By "You" ...
 

It depends who "you" is. If "you" means table crew, there is such a NFHS rule. If the crowd noise is so loud that the officials can't hear the horn, then they try to get help from the table. If the crew at the table can't agree, then use Rule 2-13: If table officials disagree, the goal shall count and/or the foul shall be penalized, unless the referee has knowledge which alters such ruling.

In this case, the horn did sound. We have no indication that trouble hearing the horn was any part of the problem.

The officials (the referees in striped shirts) did not ask the table for help. The officials talked amongst each other and made a decision. And it does not appear that there is much disagreement amongst the official (in the striped shirts and one the floor) in any way.

Here is another thing I saw on another video. It might be possible that the officials did not feel the clock was started properly. So this is not just an issue of whether the shot got off in time, but if the time ran off the clock at the right time as well.

Here is that video I am referring to.

Another angle and uncut video from the shot to the discussion to the decision by the officials

Peace

Out Of The Sky Into The Book ...
 

I agree. The officials did not approach the table crew for help, and thus, in this specific case, this rule did not kick in.

I only referred to this rule to clear up, for rookie officials, coaches, and fans, who may view this Forum, your earlier post: "Where is the rules reference to back that up? Because there is nothing in any rule I have seen that says you can count a basket just because you are not sure. You pulled that out of the sky. That is why you have yet to show the reference yet."

If your "you" is only referring to officials, you are 100% correct, there is no rules reference. However, if there is such a rule reference if "you" refers to the table crew: Rule 2-13. So socalreff didn't pull the rule out of the sky, he pulled it out of the NFHS rule book, however, he confused the officials with the table crew.

well people could keep arguing this for a long time and I'm sure they will back where the game took place. But here is too a great rematch whenever they have it. it's pandemonium baby. wow I spelled pandemonium right on the first try. what great speling. :D

Billy, he pulled it out of the sky because not only did the officials not disagree, that is not even relevant to the case we are talking about. And 2-13 is about timers, substitutes and equipment, which neither is at issue in this play. And 2-13 talks about the equipment failing and that also did not take place in this situation in any way.

I guess if a Martian came out of the sky and shot the calling official with a laser, then we might institute Rule 2-3, but that did not take place either. It is one thing to claim something took place and reference a rule, but that is not what took place at all. And that rules reference (which he has yet to give) had nothing to do with the table officials disagreeing. The table officials were not involved at all.

Peace

My first impression was that the shot was released in time.

After watching a couple of times, I did have some doubts though. Watching the video again with some stopping at key points, and with the YouTube video, I think it is clear that the shot should have counted, and therefore Spartanburg should have won.

If this event teaches anything - it is that you do need 3 officials, and that video replay is needed: high definition video replay, with frame by frame analysis.

Edit: another angle, shows even more conclusively that the shot is good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01xPmkNsvwU

"Yabba-Dabba-Doo!"
 

Book Citing
 

It was 68 seconds from the time the ball went in until the referee called it no good. Are you telling me that it would take them that long if they all agreed?
And if they weren't sure, why not ask the timer?

A.R. 14. In a game with no official courtside television monitor, the red light
or LED lights that signal the end of the last period cannot be seen nor
can the game-clock horn be heard. The officials disagree whether the
ball was in flight during a try for field goal or whether a foul occurred
before time expired.
RULING: The final decision shall be made by the referee. The official timer
shall indicate if the ball was in flight before the red light or LED lights signal
was activated or before the game-clock horn sounded only when requested
to do so by the referee. The referee shall use his or her best judgment; but
when the evidence for counting or not counting the goal or foul is equal, the
referee shall rule that the goal counts and that the foul shall be charged. In
a game with an official courtside television monitor and a game clock with
a 10th-of-a second display, the status of the try for goal and the committed
foul shall be ascertained with the use of the courtside monitor.
(Rule 2-10.15.c)

Go back and read rule 2-13, Billy. Specifically read the part right at the front that states <b>"If the timer's signal FAILS to sound or is NOT heard....."</b> In the situation being discussed, the timer's signal DID sound and WAS heard. That's why 2-13 isn't applicable in any way and is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Again, 2-13 is only applicable and relevant if the horn didn't sound or wasn't heard. In the situation being discussed, the horn DID sound and WAS heard. That's why socalreff's rule reference wasn't and isn't germane to this discussion in any way.

They didn't ask the timer because they discussed it amongst themselves and mutually concluded that the goal didn't count. Iow, they were <b>sure</b>.

Disregarding the fact that you're citing an NCAA rule to try and back up your argument in a situation that happened under NFHS rules, why are you trying to apply a rule that is ONLY relevant in situations where officials <b>disagree</b>?:confused:

In the situation being discussed, the officials did NOT disagree. No rules reference cited by yourself to date has had any relevancy at all to this discussion.

Violation White A1
9-1-9
Green gets another FT.
:p

Correct ...
 

100% correct. At least your final sentence is well worded. socalref's wasn't germane to this specific situation. But he didn't pull the rule out of the sky, he pulled it out of the wrong section of the rule book, like using Rule 1-6 Free Throw Line to explain a false double foul. Please reread my earlier posts in this thread. As you may already know about me, I like to expand the limits of original posts, to make sure rookie officials fully understand some rules and interpretations. Again, you're right, in this specific case, but there is a rule that says if "someone" disagrees, the basket counts. The "someone" must be the table crew, not an official. socaref confused this important difference. I wanted to make sure that others, especially rookie officials, didn't as well.

"The officials on the court I am sure had a different take on the play and what they saw on a video."

Jeff........ typo? Unless you meant when they took a peek later.

http://tinyurl.com/35oere

Frame 10

Wow. Just wow. That's about as close as possible. So, somewhere in the 1/30th of a second between the ball being still in his hand and the ball being away from his hand, the light comes on. Add in that they believe the horn sounds after the light is visible, and it's a very strange play.

Thanks for the link.

The politicians will fix it!

House Speaker Pro Tem Doug Smith and Rep. Harold Mitchell's bill would require the South Carolina High School League to use instant replay to resolve disputed plays in football and basketball playoff games.

More
http://sjweb.ny.publicus.com/article...803050366/1011

Oh man...talk about problems. Hopefully this bill dies a quiet death.

We need frame 10 1/2. Bearing in mind that the light isn't relevant under NFHS rules and we also don't know if the light is fully synchronized with the horn, the call couldn't be closer. I don't think that I could fault the official's on this one, no matter what call they made.

Tough, tough call.

Well said and obviously light travels faster than sound, so naturally we are going to see the light a fraction of a second before hearing the horn. Nice job of once again emphasizing that the light is NOT the controlling factor for this call in a HS game. I seriously doubt that the news media and people reading most of the stories know that fact.

Still that is one outstanding frame-by-frame photo sequence. This call was as close as a photo finish in a horse race. Imagine if the Kentucky Derby had to be called from the live action without access to such pictures! That's the situation that these officials were put in.

I agree with your assessment 100%.

Peace

Yep. And I don't really care when the horn sounds on the video - it could be accurate, or it could be a 1/10 delay in recording the audio, or any number of other things.

Incredibly tough way to end a great state championship game. Other officials who I've talked to who watched it said it was extremely well officiated overall.

Agreed ... The video shows the ball released before the LED and before the horn.

Exactly ... Saying that they missed it is not a rip on these officials. They are in a VERY tough spot with this call. This is why we have a monitor now in college - because of plays like this. If they had been able to go to a monitor they would have counted the shot, no doubt in my mind.

Yep. And saying they missed it is completely different than saying they guessed.

For sure.

I was reviewing a game tape just this week and saw a call that I make that I didn't like - I missed it.

The video at the NCAA meeting every year is made up of missed plays from the NCAA tournament, which arguably uses the best 96 NCAA officials in the country.

The NBA posts videos online every day for its officials - arguably the best in the world.

We miss plays. That doesn't mean that we are poor officials. If you referee for any significant length of time you are going to make a call that has a big impact on a game.

The issue was not whether they only missed the play. The issue was that someone wanted to claim not only did they miss play, but they did not follow the rules properly as well. It is very possible they missed this play, but they did follow the rules as far as we know and took the time to get it right as well as they could. If this was an NCAA game, they likely would have been able to review the play to make sure. Also the angle would be very different and there would be better technologies to help get this call right. These officials had one shot and they did the best they could.

Peace

Brad,
I guess my eyes are going....

I haven't seen anything...regular speed....slow motion...or even frame by frame, that shows the ball "clearly" away from the shooters hand before the light/horn goes off.

In fact, the frame by frame pics shows the blurry ball and the blurry shooting hand, with his fingers POINTING back at him in the classic shooting pose, in frame 10. I just don't see the ball away from the hand "clearly" in that frame.

Sure, the next frame has the ball away...but, the light is already on.

Again, I haven't seen/heard any clear evidence that the ball is away and the light on....or horn sounded.

I'm with JR...tough call...can't fault officials either way.

Looks like....
 

he is still touching the ball with his fingers in frame 10

That's my take on the frame-to-frame sequence too. I could review that and I don't think that I could really make a definitive call, one way or another. Iow, damned if they do, damned if they don't.

There are cameras behind the play. There has to be more video of this. Either way I really hope they bring out instant replay for the championships games. Do it like Football. Need evidence to overturn it. It would be nice to know what the initial ruling was

The original ruling was that the shot was no good. It was waved off immediately, then the officials conferred, and they stuck with the original ruling.

And I want no part of instant replay. This is a prime example of getting frame-by-frame evidence that still doesn't give you the needed picture.

Would I want courtside monitors on every high school game? No! In fact there isn't one for every NCAA game either. One argument @ least @ the High School level is that the game is @ its purest form and needs to be officiated as such. The game is meant to be officiated by humans who inherently will make mistakes which should just be an accepted part of the game. From a officials point of view I agree with that assertion.

However in todays world where there is so much emphasize put on the players & coaches to win I can see, from the coaches point of view, in the tournament where it is one and done that a monitor would be extremely beneficial. I think we all would agree that we want to make sure the right team wins the game!!

I agree with what, I believe it was JR said, "they are damned if they do or damned if they don't" in this particular play. It's the PLAY that could go either way in real time with human eyes, as I said in a earlier post. Now look @ the aftermath of this call, right or wrong. The blame (not by us I hope) is now going to be placed squarely on the officials, who from what someone else said,worked a GREAT game, for the wrong team winning, supposedly.

The majority is no longer going to remember the GREAT game they worked but the call @ the end that they had to make without the ability that we have had along with all of the fans of the losing team.. It leaves the win in question!!! A monitor would @ the very least take the excuse of the lose or the wrong team winning out of the equation. Not to mention if you have a end of game/season play like this as an official I would want to be able to go to a monitor to be sure.

Someone said that the angle wouldn't have been good or even the still frame pics don't prove disprove the ruling. If they instituted a monitor procedure for @ the very least, the State Finals, I'm sure their would be a better angle from which to view from.

Maybe you're just not as good as me :)

It's close... but watching the video for the LED lights and listening for the horn, it appears that he has released the ball in both cases.

If this play is *THAT* close, why wouldn't you award the miracle basket and play at the end of the game? We don't know the discussion of the officials though -- maybe they didn't think it was *THAT* close...

That's how tough this call is..........I've looked at the video over 20 times and thought no good. Saw the youtube version and wasn't quite sure. Now looking at frame by frame, it might have been good.

I echo JR's thoughts .........tough, tough call.

To think those three guys probably got 60 bucks apiece for the game.

I am just going to take a guess, but they got well over $60 for that game. It was a State Championship game, not your local conference game. :D

Peace

I bet Rut is right. I don't know about other states but in Indiana you get $90.00 plus $.20/mile round trip to work the State Championship game.

Actually, $63 (plus travel) is the fee for state championship games in SC, which is equal to the regular season fee for double-headers.

You only get $63 & that is to work both games....

In Illinois basketball the State Final officials (12 officials) get $130 a game and up to 3 nights in a hotel. And that is two games for the weekend.

Peace

Yep. We get $63 for a B/G V double-header, but we do get $.35/mile both ways, which is a lot better than anywhere else I've officiated. Most of my games were 30-75 miles away, so my checks were anywhere from $85 - $115 for a double-header night.

SC is one of the lowest-paying states out there for fees. But, like I said, the mileage helps make up a little bit.

That's solid.

Are the State Championship game officials pre determined before the 12 get to the site? Or are they determined after the 12 work a game? Just curious how different it is in comparison to Indiana.

Let me stop you right there. That is not the lowest paid out there. The most I have received for a single HS varsity game is $60. No mileage or other fees, just $60. And the play for the post season (Regional level) was $59 each (4 games) with no mileage or other pay involved. Just a flat fee and that is it.

Peace

I suppose thats not that bad. Do you have to work a double every night? We don't get milage in Indiana unless you assigned to work the tourney.

Oh, I definitely know there are lower fees...and like I said, the mileage really helps make up for the relatively low fees. But, there's a thread on here from last year (I think) asking different state fees, and SC was certainly at the low end there.

I'm not complaining, just stating what I've been told and what I've read.

Well now we have 2 State Championship games during a weekend. Last year it was only one game, now we have two Championship games to accommodate the 4 class system that was added. But to answer your question, it is not determined at least to the officials until everyone works their first game. Then at the end of Friday, they tell the officials who is working what the next day.

Peace

Yep, unless there's a strange occurence, all Varsity games here are played G/B doubleheader, same crew works both games.

On the strange single-game night, the fee is $44, but still $.35/mile on top of that.

Fair enough...;)

If you are asking me why I wouldn't award the "miracle" basket...well, maybe I would. I would have to be there to make that determination...rather than watching a few blurry video clips.

Also, maybe the crew didn't want to (or have information to) overturn the official that originally WAVED the basket off. As you said, we don't know the discussion of the other officials.

I guess that's why we make the big bucks....$50 a game for Regional games here in my part of WA...and .48 cents a mile travel both ways. $10 meal allowance if over 75 miles...and $50 lodging if over 125 miles. (One official I worked with, in a Regional, got his motel paid for even though it was probably over $50 a night)

Can't remember what State pays...didn't go this year...maybe zebraman can help...he went to Yakima, WA this year for the State tournament.

A whopping $51.00 per game. However, each official invited to a HS state tournament in Washington State works all four days and ends up working seven games. IRS rate on mileage and a hotel room while you're there, plus $20.00 per day for food.

California-Central Section
 

Regular Season
Varsity: $63 2-man/$48 3-man
Underclass: $44

There are 3 games a night and there will be 3 officials assigned to the site each working two games
Freshman: O1 and O2
JV: O1 and O3
Varsity: O2 and O3

Playoffs
Valley Tournament (all 3-man)
1st Round: $48
2nd Round: $95
3rd Round and Championship: $95 + milage to furthest traveling official

3rd Round and Championship use mixed crews from the three local associations. Fresno, Bakersfield and the Central Valley (Visalia area)

State Playoffs
All Rounds: $60 something, not sure about milage

Yeah - I didn't mean "you" in the personal sense... More like "you" in the "all of us officials" sense... i.e. Why wouldn't *we* award the basket?

That is true and might be the best point of this thread. If the official with the last-second shot waved off the basket, I can see how the other officials wouldn't be able to come in real-time and say definitely that the ball had been released before the horn. I think if that official had signaled basket good it would have stood as well. On a play that close no official is going to overturn the ruling of the official who has the last second shot responsibility.

Connecticut Big Bucks ...
 

I just received a check for $98.35 for a conference (not state) final. No mileage, 42 mile round trip.

Goes to show you how many state finals I've done.

I was thinking the other day as I finished two intramural games at the local middle school five minutes from my house which took 1:05 for 55.00 bucks that I get the princely sum of 53 large ones for a varsity game that I may have to drive an hour to and arrive an hour before tipoff for an hour and thirty minute game.

That said, give me the varsity game anyday. Psst, don't tell them, I'd probably do it for gratis.

Exactly. This call came down to one person -- the official with the last shot responsibility. They all got together after the fact (which I think was wise; it's a state championship game, after all) and the calling official probably said "I've got the shot coming after the horn. Does anyone know differently?" And, with as close as we all acknowledge that it was, one way or the other, neither of the officials without primary responsibility for that shot are going to say they know for sure anything different than what the calling official had.

It was just real, real close and the calling official made his best judgment at the time. I can live with that. And so should everyone else. Even the losing team's fans.

The most disturbing part, IMO:

Two Spartanburg lawmakers on Tuesday filed legislation that could help resolve future disputes.

House Speaker Pro Tem Doug Smith and Rep. Harold Mitchell's bill would require the South Carolina High School League to use instant replay to resolve disputed plays in football and basketball playoff games.

Knight Take Bishop ...
 

This legislation is discriminating. How about instant replay at the South Carolina high school chess championship. Did the player really take his finger off the knight to complete his move?