rebound tap for goal

[eyezen]

NFHS

Situation - shot A1 - shot missed - rebound tap by A2 - A2 fouls B2

If the tap is made shall it count?

In NFHS does it matter the sequence?

[Raymond]

more details of the actual play you are envisioning, please.

[eyezen]

Sure!

A1 pulls up for a jumper from free throw line extended on the left side, shot is bricked with a long rebound towards the right side, A2 who is on the weakside on the right just inside the three point line takes two steps leaps and up high in the air from outside the paint taps the ball off the glass and in, meanwhile height challenged B2 is standing about at the block facing the basket watching the ball go over his head. A2 comes down on B2. The lead on the play calls a foul on A2.

NFHS Should the basket count?

[lpbreeze]

no me thinks

[Mark Padgett]

NF 4-41.6 "A tap shall be considered the same as a try for field goal..."

NF 4-41.7 "The tap starts when the player's hand(s) touches the ball."

Since a tap is the same as a try, ask yourself this to answer your question: would you disallow the points if it was a try and an airborne shooter came down on a player who had established position prior to the player leaving the floor? Since you said "A2 fouls B2", we have to assume B2 had position.

[Raymond]

Based on description:

NFHS (and NCAA-W): Player Control foul; no basket; Team B throw-in from designated spot on baseline.

NCAA-M: count the basket; common foul; penalize as follows--Team B throw-in (TF 1-6), B2 shoots 1+1 (TF 7-9); B2 shoots 2 free throws (TF 10+)

My question for NCAA-M: Would throw-in be anywhere along baseline or a designated spot throw-in?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

My question for NCAA-M: Would throw-in be anywhere along baseline or a designated spot throw-in?

Designated spot closest to the foul.

[eyezen]

Mark:

That was the path I was thinking. I know the NCAA rule but I wasn't for sure in FED. Wouldn't you need to satisfy player control also? Does a tap for goal when no prior player/team control exists satisfy that?

[MadCityRef]

Originally Posted by eyezen

Mark:

That was the path I was thinking. I know the NCAA rule but I wasn't for sure in FED. Wouldn't you need to satisfy player control also? Does a tap for goal when no prior player/team control exists satisfy that?

You'd need to distinguish between a swipe at the ball and a tap that controls the ball. (Ball goes where the players wants.)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by eyezen

Mark:

That was the path I was thinking. I know the NCAA rule but I wasn't for sure in FED. Wouldn't you need to satisfy player control also? Does a tap for goal when no prior player/team control exists satisfy that?

Player control has nothing to do with this. The "airborne shooter" rule has everything to do with this.

You can have a PC foul by an airborne shooter even though the shooter does not have PC.

[inigo montoya]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

NF 4-41.6 "A tap shall be considered the same as a try for field goal..."

NF 4-41.7 "The tap starts when the player's hand(s) touches the ball."

Since a tap is the same as a try, ask yourself this to answer your question: would you disallow the points if it was a try and an airborne shooter came down on a player who had established position prior to the player leaving the floor? Since you said "A2 fouls B2", we have to assume B2 had position.

Situation from last night (NFHS, 8th grade boys):
A1 tries for goal, but the shot is no good. A2 leaps straight up in an attempt to rebound or tap it in. He is fouled on the way up, but succeeds in tapping it in. The contact occurs before he makes contact with the ball.

Since a tap does not start until A2 makes contact with the ball, I said this should be a common foul. My partner says "it's a shooting foul, basket is good, A2 will shoot one free throw."

Actually, what really happened was more complex/dumb, but this is the gist of it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by inigo montoya

Situation from last night (NFHS, 8th grade boys):
A1 tries for goal, but the shot is no good. A2 leaps straight up in an attempt to rebound or tap it in. He is fouled on the way up, but succeeds in tapping it in. The contact occurs before he makes contact with the ball.

Since a tap does not start until A2 makes contact with the ball, I said this should be a common foul. My partner says "it's a shooting foul, basket is good, A2 will shoot one free throw."

You had it right. It's just a common foul. Was the player in the act of shooting when he was fouled? Nope. You can't be in the act of shooting if you don't have the ball.

Ask your partner if a player was fouled before he caught a pass, then caught the pass and shot, if he'd call that a shooting foul too. There ain't no difference, rules wise.