It threw me off

[Cajun Reff]

[QUOTE=Junker]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

I blew the whistle. Coach explodes.. QUOTE]

So what kind of whistle do you use to get a coach to explode? Does it take long to clean the body parts off the floor? I know I have to notify the state if I throw a coach out of a game, does the same happen with causing one to explode?

OK this made me laugh

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Cajun Reff

so if the reff was ON 3 when the ball was thrown to A2 (starting the sequence), how do you possibly think that A1 could throw the ball 15-20 feet in the air, A2 could catch it and make a return pass to A1 in LESS than 2 seconds? - remember he said he was ON 3 when A1 made the pass to A2. I don't think it is even remotely possible to execute that play in less than 2 seconds. especially considering the fact that these were mere 6th graders.

Anyway the 5 second count aspect is NOT what confused him, he didnt know the rule about the double pass on a made basket. That being said, if he had known the rule he should have easily had a 5 second violation because in this instance A1 started the double pass play way TOO LATE in the 5 second count. that was the only point I was trying to make here.

I disagree with your 5 second interpretation. A2 only needs to release his pass prior to the 5 second violation. A1 does not have to catch it.

[Cajun Reff]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I disagree with your 5 second interpretation. A2 only needs to release his pass prior to the 5 second violation. A1 does not have to catch it.

I get what you are saying but we over analyzed this to point where the patient isnt breathing anymore and should be ruled clinically dead.


he said A1 passed the ball when he was already on count 3. I just dont see how the ball can be in flight after the 3 count on the way to 4 count, caught and released by a 6th grade boy in less than the 2 seconds left unless they are standing within 10 feet of one another and A2 taps the ball in the air back to A1 and doesnt actually catch it.

I am of the opinion that count 4 passes with the ball in flight, and count 5 is on the catch OOB by A2 and A2 never gets to make an inbounds pass attempt because 5 seconds is up before A2 releases the ball

but anyway, I am moving on from it because we dont have any hairs left to split

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Cajun Reff

he said A1 passed the ball when he was already on count 3. I just dont see how the ball can be in flight after the 3 count on the way to 4 count, caught and released by a 6th grade boy in less than the 2 seconds left unless they are standing within 10 feet of one another and A2 taps the ball in the air back to A1 and doesnt actually catch it.

I am of the opinion that count 4 passes with the ball in flight, and count 5 is on the catch OOB by A2 and A2 never gets to make an inbounds pass attempt because 5 seconds is up before A2 releases the ball

but anyway, I am moving on from it because we dont have any hairs left to split

Yes, we do. You're over-thinking the heck outa this one imo. It ain't brain surgery.

An official should never worry about what is happening during the 5 seconds allowed for a throw-in, unless something illegal is being done. Instead, you just count to 5 without getting into anticipating, assuming, opinionating or even thinking about anything else. The age and skill level of the players is never relevant either. If the ball hasn't started on it's way in-bounds on a throw-in when you reach 5, you blow your whistle and call a violation. It's that simple.

Just fuggedabout everything else.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Cajun Reff

I just dont see how the ball can be in flight after the 3 count on the way to 4 count, caught and released by a 6th grade boy in less than the 2 seconds left unless they are standing within 10 feet of one another and A2 taps the ball in the air back to A1 and doesnt actually catch it.

Where does the OP say that A2 passed or even attempted to pass the ball back to A1? A1 could easily pass to A2, who could then inbound to a player on the court within 2 seconds.

[Bearfanmike20]

Originally Posted by fullor30

With the utmost respect, didn't you ever see this run as a fan/spectator before you started officiating? That said, I can understand it catching you off guard as a new official.

Were you familar with the game before you started?

As a player in school, and as a HUGE Bulls fan, I have NEVER once seen that until that night.

[crazy voyager]

Legal
17.2.6 is the rule.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

As a player in school, and as a HUGE Bulls fan, I have NEVER once seen that until that night.

Hard to believe...........

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

As a player in school, and as a HUGE Bulls fan, I have NEVER once seen that until that night.

Originally Posted by fullor30

Hard to believe...........

Why is it hard to believe. I know lots of Bears fans who are Bulls fans as well.