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hbioteach Tue Feb 26, 2008 02:11pm

Wild End (Timing issue).
 
Team A(home team) up by 2 points 1.3 on clock (4th quarter). A has a spot throw in at defensive baseline.

I'm the T and have the throw in. A1 on a football style throw has inbound slightly tipped by B1. I chop in. Clock doesn't start. I start a visable count while ball is in midair headed towards division line. I get to one as B2 catches ball. I come out with multiple whistles waving off any shot as B2 is shooting a half court shot that goes in. Also signal tip after whistle. My whistle is before release.

Did I handle this right?

B coach goes nuts as my partner and I leave the floor.

just another ref Tue Feb 26, 2008 02:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by hbioteach
Team A(home team) up by 2 points 1.3 on clock (4th quarter). A has a spot throw in at defensive baseline.

I'm the T and have the throw in. A1 on a football style throw has inbound slightly tipped by B1. I chop in. Clock doesn't start. I start a visable count while ball is in midair headed towards division line. I get to one as B2 catches ball. I come out with multiple whistles waving off any shot as B2 is shooting a half court shot that goes in. Also signal tip after whistle. My whistle is before release.

Did I handle this right?

B coach goes nuts as my partner and I leave the floor.

I missed something. Your count got to one. You blew the whistle. Are you somehow trying to incorporate
.3=no catch & shoot into this?

tjones1 Tue Feb 26, 2008 02:38pm

Ok...
 
You chop, have a 1 count, then player B2 catches the balls (steals) and shoots. After he catches it, you blow it dead and wave it off - right?

Edit

tjones1 Tue Feb 26, 2008 02:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref
Are you somehow trying to incorporate
.3=no catch & shoot into this?

JAR,

Yes, I believe this is where he's going.

hbioteach Tue Feb 26, 2008 02:42pm

Yes, To the description of play. The .3 is from the time after I chopped and recognized clock did not start and then began visable count.

crazy voyager Tue Feb 26, 2008 02:46pm

If the time didn't start and you are sure you had a good count, then I'd say yes. And furthermore, you should never ever let a team win when you know they didn't deserve it. B1 played good defence by tipping that ball and that should be rewarded. You did the right thing

fullor30 Tue Feb 26, 2008 02:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1
You chop, have a 1 count, then player B2 catches the balls (steels) and shoots. After he catches it, you blow it dead and wave it off - right?


Balls of steel? Wow!

tjones1 Tue Feb 26, 2008 02:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30
Balls of steel? Wow!

:D

Ha Ha... nice catch! ;) Corrected just for you!

bob jenkins Tue Feb 26, 2008 05:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by hbioteach
Team A(home team) up by 2 points 1.3 on clock (4th quarter). A has a spot throw in at defensive baseline.

I'm the T and have the throw in. A1 on a football style throw has inbound slightly tipped by B1. I chop in. Clock doesn't start. I start a visable count while ball is in midair headed towards division line. I get to one as B2 catches ball. I come out with multiple whistles waving off any shot as B2 is shooting a half court shot that goes in. Also signal tip after whistle. My whistle is before release.

Did I handle this right?

B coach goes nuts as my partner and I leave the floor.

You were right up until you blew the play dead. The "Can't catch and shoot at .3 or under" rule applies only if the clock is stopped with .3 seconds. Once it's running at more than .3, then the player is allowed to (try to) catch and shoot, even if the catch happens at .3

just another ref Tue Feb 26, 2008 05:45pm

If we're taking a vote, I don't think one can use a count to say we have reached .3 and disallow the shot. I think that using a count to have "definite knowledge" of anything less than a whole second is not realistic.

Adam Tue Feb 26, 2008 05:49pm

Count to 1.5 and blow it dead.

Or, if you don't want to do that, just go with a do-over. :D

Cajun Reff Tue Feb 26, 2008 05:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref
If we're taking a vote, I don't think one can use a count to say we have reached .3 and disallow the shot. I think that using a count to have "definite knowledge" of anything less than a whole second is not realistic.

good post and no kidding - we are HUMAN BEINGS, NOT MACHINES PEOPLE :D

tjones1 Tue Feb 26, 2008 06:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
You were right up until you blew the play dead. The "Can't catch and shoot at .3 or under" rule applies only if the clock is stopped with .3 seconds. Once it's running at more than .3, then the player is allowed to (try to) catch and shoot, even if the catch happens at .3

Agree.

5-2-5
When play is resumed with a throw-in or free throw...

hbioteach Tue Feb 26, 2008 06:54pm

Once the ball was tipped, clock did not start. There was certainly a one second delay between when the ball was tipped and me starting a visable count.

Ball tipped.Chop in. Clock doesn't start.
Delay. Start visable count. Blow whistle.

I know that at least 1.3 elapsed between tip at baseline and catch and release of shot at halfcourt. NO DOUBTS.

Terrapins Fan Tue Feb 26, 2008 07:27pm

I'm betting the winning coach didn't complain.

Good job.


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