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[crazy voyager]

Originally Posted by jsblanton

My evaluator also wants a whistle for any and all subs. I tend to agree with tomegun. But...I guess I'll give him a whistle for subs, if that's what he wants.

The procedure here is to always use a whistle for subs since that informs everyone something is happening before the ball comes in play. It also makes your partner aware of this so that (s)he doesn't start the play before the substitutaions are done.
When it comes to using several tweets I do it sometimes, but I try to do it sparingly. One good signal is usually enough, but it has happened that I do several tweets, mostly on offensive fouls or travelling violations where I can have a tweet for stop the clock and another for no points. But this probably isn't nessesary either, nobody cares though (except for Alan Richardson, he's the only one I've heard commenting on this).

[tomegun]

Crazy Voyager, why isn't it good enough to have a loud horn go off to let everyone know there are subs or something is happening?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Crazy Voyager, why isn't it good enough to have a loud horn go off to let everyone know there are subs or something is happening?

When I do some MS/Fresh/Rec level ball.....we could wait forever on that "loud horn" at some venues...... hence I too will then blow the whistle for subs.

Only time I consciously blow the whistle more than once is when there is a struggle/scrum/jump ball situation as I want everyone to stop wrestling before it gets MORE ugly!

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Crazy Voyager, why isn't it good enough to have a loud horn go off to let everyone know there are subs or something is happening?

That's one of the worst FIBA mechanics. A whistle to kill play, the horn from the table, another whistle for granting a time out or a substitution. Just annoying, especially in "quiet situations" such as when the official goes to report a foul and the table sounds the horn for a sub: why a whistle? There's the horn, one or more players ready to come in, what else can it be?

We should keep in mind that the whistle sound is displeasing. Any whistle after the first is much more displeasing. No tweet-tweet-tweet, ever.

[Larks]

I've fallen into the one whistle blast hit for foul, two for violations like travel / carry / double dribble etc.

One whistle for subs only if I am the traffic cop

One whistle putting ball in play if we've had a delay for some reason - subs taking longer, discussion at table or whatever.

Scrum on floor - jump ball - LOTS of whistles.

Speaking of whistles -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYgrhk7xoME

[Junker]

Originally Posted by Larks

I've fallen into the one whistle blast hit for foul, two for violations like travel / carry / double dribble etc.

One whistle for subs only if I am the traffic cop

One whistle putting ball in play if we've had a delay for some reason - subs taking longer, discussion at table or whatever.

Scrum on floor - jump ball - LOTS of whistles.

Speaking of whistles -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYgrhk7xoME

I'm in the same boat as Larks, although in a lower level game last year I did call a 4 "tweet" travel, mostly for my own amusement and my partners. I just couldn't stop myself from giving a couple extra.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Larks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYgrhk7xoME

Interesting.

Chuck, why don't you get rid of that old collar shirt already?

[Bearfanmike20]

Originally Posted by Larks

I've fallen into the one whistle blast hit for foul, two for violations like travel / carry / double dribble etc.

One whistle for subs only if I am the traffic cop

One whistle putting ball in play if we've had a delay for some reason - subs taking longer, discussion at table or whatever.

Scrum on floor - jump ball - LOTS of whistles.

Speaking of whistles -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYgrhk7xoME

I think that was my partner a week ago.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Crazy Voyager, why isn't it good enough to have a loud horn go off to let everyone know there are subs or something is happening?

In 3-man I've definitely gone away from hitting my whistle for subs on free throws. I will hit the whistle on non-free throws if I'm the table-side New Lead and a horn hasn't gone off by the time I'm ready to pass the subs off to the "C". But on free throws I'm not hitting the whistle unless the Lead isn't paying attention or if it's the last free throw (made, of course) and the horn is slow.

In 2-man I will hit the whistle more often. Most times it's b/c the sub is having trouble locating an official to wave them in.

[oldschool]

Our state has a POE of whistling in subs. They feel you should respond to the whistle not the horn. The double whistle is not recommended.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by oldschool

Our state has a POE of whistling in subs. They feel you should respond to the whistle not the horn. The double whistle is not recommended.

Do you know the history behind your screen name?

[bgtg19]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

In 3-man I've definitely gone away from hitting my whistle for subs on free throws. I will hit the whistle on non-free throws if I'm the table-side New Lead and a horn hasn't gone off by the time I'm ready to pass the subs off to the "C". But on free throws I'm not hitting the whistle unless the Lead isn't paying attention or if it's the last free throw (made, of course) and the horn is slow.

In our association, we've gone to using the whistle on subs when there IS going to be a FT. The reason why we do this is because if a substitute is beckoned onto the court to replace a player lined up in a lane space, the whistle "guarantees" that we're not going to have a lane violation in the exchange of players.

Ideally, all officials will always be on the same page and this wouldn't be necessary, but we don't always live in an ideal world. The new practice was put into place after a high-profile substitute-induced-lane-violation at an inopportune time....

[crazy voyager]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Crazy Voyager, why isn't it good enough to have a loud horn go off to let everyone know there are subs or something is happening?

Becuse the table is instructed not to sound the horn if there's an official coming up to report a foul. Then we use the whistle when beckoning the subs in.
Also becuse the horn isn't official, but when you blow your whistle and beckon them in they become players wich offect stuff like to whom a technical is charged (player insted of coach). But mostly becuse there is no horn when we go to report a foul, if there were I would agree with eg-italy that this is a terrible mechanic. But when there is no horn I like it

[oldschool]

truerookie I sense someone here was controversial in the past with my oldschool screen name. I am new to the board this year and just trying to learn as much as I can to become the best official I can. I an not sure how long ago this individual was on and don't know why he is not here any longer. I use this name on other boards so I think I will keep it and people will understand it is someone new. Thanks

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by oldschool

...and just trying to learn as much as I can to become the best official I can...

This one sentence proves that you are a different person than the one that defiled that screen name earlier. Welcome to the board.