Subbing after made second free throw
 

This past friday in a California Interscolastic Federation Boys High School Playoff game the following occured.

Player of team A is at the line. After he makes his first free throw and has the ball again in preparation for his second free throw, team A coach sends a player to check in at scorers table.

Player shoots and makes the free throw. Ref immediatly blows whistle and takes the ball motions the sub in and waits till the defense is set then allows team B to inbound the ball. This happened over and over again allowing team A to set up their zone defense. The player that subbed in did not sub for the shooter.

Is this the correct proceedure?

Perfectly legal.

NFHS and NCAA rules allow this. NBA rules do not. I prefer the NBA rule for flow of the game.

Wow ....
 

Wow. I'd never thought that I would see this posted, by an official, on this Forum. By a "fanboy", yes, official, no.

I was a big NBA fan back in the 1970's, Boston Celtics (Russel, Havelicek, Jones, Cousy, Howell), and New York Knicks (DeBusshere, Russell, Frasier, Bradley, Reed). I lost interest, and then gained back a little interest during the Bird, and Johnson era, but that was only for a short time. I can't stomach watching the NBA for more than a few minutes. It just ain't the same. Give me scholastic, or collegiate, ball any day. I guess I'm just a basketball snob.

:) That may help explain the number of NBA teams in Connecticut.

Major League State ...
 

Hey, we have the Whalers. Wait a minute. No, we don't anymore. Never mind.

We have the Celtics for a few home games each season. Wait a minute. No, we don't anymore. Never mind.

Kraft is going to build a stadium in Hartford for the Patriots. Wait a minute. No, he changed his mind. Never mind.

Wait. I've got it. We have the WNBA Mohegan Suns. Nothing like watching a bunch of women playing basketball in the summer, at a casino. Wait a minute. Never mind.

Well the Boston Red Sox brought Wally the Green Monster, and the 2008 World Series trophy, to Hartford a few weeks ago.

Oh well. Never mind. Go Huskies.

Legal.
 

Good strategy for pressing teams or for coaches looking to slooooow things down.

Ya know, Jack, a zone defense is one of the easier things to set up. The only thing easier is setting up no defense. :cool:

Hartford Is A Major League City ...
 

Hold your horses. I knew that I would come up with something.

The Hartford Dark Blues were a 19th century baseball team. The team was based in Hartford, Connecticut. They were a member of the National Association of Professional Base Ball Players in 1874 and 1875 and the National League in 1876 and 1877. Playing at the Hartford Ball Club Grounds, in 1876 they joined the National League as a charter member. The team's owner, Morgan G. Bulkeley, was also the first president of the National League. The team left Hartford and moved to Brooklyn, New York for the 1877 season to become the Brooklyn Hartfords. The team disbanded after the 1877 season.

I have fond memories of sitting at the Hartford Ball Club Grounds, sipping sarsaparilla, on a warm summer day, watching our Dark Blues. Those were the good old days.

I agree completely. I hate the sub after a made FT... SHould I really tell you how I feel about this?

thanks to all - especially Nevadaref for the spelling/typing correction:)

This is also legal in fiba, it wasn't a few years ago though when you only would be allowed to sub the shooter, now you can sub whoever you want after a 2nd made FT. I liked the old way acctually...

I also agree. It's basically a mini-timeout that allows the defense to set up and prevent a quick play by a faster team.

Question on this older thread. When does the sub have to be at the table? Before the second ft is shot? Or if player makes the shot, does the sub have to get there before the ball is picked up by the other team.
I had the table sound the horn for a sub who got to the table right after the shot was made and I told him he couldn't come in.

It was a dead ball that did not require the sub to report before the warning buzzer.
Next time, let the sub in. ;)

Ah, fond memories...I can still recall that snappy tune whenever they scored a goal.

They really brought down the house when they played in the Hartford Civic Center (or at least the roof! Remember that? or was that when they still played in Springfield?)

Dead Ball Substitute ???
 

I got this one wrong on the 2008-09 IAABO Refresher Exam. Not exactly the same situation as the recent posts on this thread, but it still deals with whether, or not, to let a substitute enter. We were told that B-6 had to be at the table before the official stops play in order to get into the game during that dead ball.

43. A-1 has the ball out of bounds for a throw in when the timer erroneously starts the clock and runs it for two seconds. The official notices that the clock is running and stops play. As the official is at the scorers table,
B-6 reports to replace B-5. The official puts the time back on the clock and allows B-6 to enter the game. Is the official correct?
43. No Rule 5 Section 10 Art 1; Rule 3 Section 3 Art 1d

I didn't know Frasier Crane played ball. Looks more like the white shadow to me

http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/...45outcome1.jpg

:D Nice to see you figgered out how to post pics!

I'll try and tone it down.........I wanted to post a pic of rut's game.

The sub needs to report during the dead ball following the successful goal. According to 3-3-1d once the substitute reports, the scorer shall signal, "if, or as soon as, the ball is dead and the clock is stopped."

In your case, the clock was stopped and it seems that the scorer signalled while the ball was still dead. Therefore, you should have allowed the substitute to enter.

Billy, 3-3-1d reads:
Note the word "if" in there. IOW, if the ball is dead and the clock is stopped, they can come right in. Whoever told you they had to be there before the ball became dead was, well, dead wrong.

But we don't allow subs or time outs between the first and second free throw.

Ciao

NCAA 3-4.5 NFHS 3-3.1 d
 

When entry is at any time at any time other than between halves,and a substitue who is entitled and ready to enter reports to the scorers, the timer shall sound the gamr clock horn when (or as soon as) the ball is dead and time is stopped. Exception: see rule 3-4.6

d. If entry is at any time other than between quarters, and a substitute who is entitled and ready to enter reports to the scorer, the scorer shall use a sounding device or game horn, if, or as soon as, the ball is dead and the clock is stopped.