Violations.....or not?
 

NFHS rules. Can someone give answers and references please?

1. A1 saves a loose ball near the sideline. He saves it inbounds. The ball touches the court. A1 runs back inbounds and continues the dribble. A1 had not dribbled the ball prior to this play, he just saved a loose ball.

2. A1 saves the same loose ball. He gets back inbounds and catches the ball before it hits the floor.

3. A1 is dribbling down the sideline. He is loosing his balance OOB so he steps out of bounds and back in and continues dribbling.

4. A1 is dribbling. B1 slaps the ball away and A1 saves it as in sitch 1.


I know for instance that 3 is illegal. However, is it called whent eh dribbler goes OOB, or when he returns and touches?

7.1.1 Situation D

9-3-3: Dead when the violation occurs.

That takes care of 1,2, and 4. Right? What are you calling in #3? Do we agree that 1,2, and 4 are LEGAL plays?

9-3-3

Leaving for unauthorized reason. Ball is dead when the violation occurs.

Yes.

My takes..
 

Legal play.
If tapped it back, I would say that is legal. If he jumped, controlled the ball, passed it up in the air, came back and caught his pass, I would call a travel.
Legal play as long as he is never oob while dribbling.
Legal play.

I would say legal.
 

... if his momentum carries him out (losing his balance) then leaving the court is legal.

Why would it be a travel?

How is his momentum going to carry him out if he's running/dribbling parallel to the sideline?

Rule 9-3-2 (Note) makes #3 illegal. A dribbler who steps out of bounds is OOB and has committed a violation even if he is not touching the ball while OOB. I assume this is to be called when he steps on the boundary or OOB. In #3, is the player dribbling? I think so. He was dribbling and the dribble never ended.

Ahhh yes, for all of Section 3, the ball is dead when the violation occurs.

Here's a catch. Say A1 is dribbling on a tightrope down the sideline. He loses his balance and steps on the line. A2 continues the dribble. You blowing it dead?

cuz...
 

Why would it be a travel?[/QUOTE]

If player leapt and controlled.... imagine him calling a time out falling out of bounds -- (which I would grant)
He then throws the ball up in the air.... lands out of bounds.... runs back on the court... establishes back onto court and catches the ball. Traveling, no?
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ps. is it only me, or should traveling be spelled travelling?

Good question. I agree you can't pass to yourself because that usually requires moving a pivot foot. However, there is no pivot foot here. If you look at case 4.15.4(b), this is an illegal dribble. Tossing and catching after steps without the ball touching the floor is an illegal dribble. Strange, but true.

Not all that uncommon.
 

I guess you have to sort out whether he has re-established himself inbounds.

Rules clearly state that a dribbler has violated when he steps OOB, regardless of whether he is touching the ball when he does so. I think that if he obviously dribble passed to A2, then this is fine, otherwise it is a violation as soon as he steps OOB.

hrm....
 

so, if a1 is dribbling lets say, under the basket with no pressure, runs over to the sideline, steps out of bounds, then runs back and resumes the dribble (indulge me here) then we have an OOB violation?

The OOB has occurred during the un-interrupted dribble here. Could that be right?

Say there was no pressure. Say A1 is dribbling in the back court. Girls high school with a shot clock. No defensive pressure. Player is dribbling in the middle of the floor at the free throw line in her back court....

Dribbles the ball HARD into the floor! (so that the ball pops up into the air 20 feet) Runs to the sideline to give her coach a string that she found on the floor. Steps OOB and hands it to the coach.... then runs back and resuscusitates her dribble.... thats an OOB violation?

You call it when she steps OOB? or when she resumes her dribble?

Agreed, that was my point.

"Normally" a person causes the ball to be oob when the player is oob and touches the ball.

But, assume we had a dribbler who, with perfect rhythm, would step on the line when the ball hit the floor, and step inbounds when the ball hit the hand. This would be legal if we didn't have the "dribbler rule" in place -- and could give the offense an advantage not intended by rule. SO, the NFHS added the rule / commetn (whateverit is).

Call it with that intent.

I'm all good with that
 

Player is dribbling up my sideline. I'm trail.
If I see the ball touch oob or the dribbler's foot touch oob it is a violation.
The rule is straightforward here.