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billyc8037 Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:16pm
Phantom Shooting Foul
 
Oh.... Now I get it. I think they covered this in the rule book under "it's all about me, how quick I can leave the gym and how much I can get paid" section. I believe it was section: O-U-8-1-2

jdw3018 Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:23pm
You all are taking the comment much too seriously. It's an ongoing theme on the board with Padgett.

MadCityRef Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:24pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
Who in their right mind would favor more rules regarding the color of stuff worn in the hair? The NFHS should track all responses to questions 3 and 4. Any official answering yes, should be banned from working any further games. :eek:
Amen. Could not care less what color the head gear is.

MadCityRef Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by truerookie
11. Beginning an overtime period with a throw-in by the team entitled to the ball under the alternating-possession procedure. (Keep the jump ball to start overtime)
12. Adding an additional signal to the signal chart for a hit to the head. (Keep illegal use of hand signal meets the intent).
13. Adding an additional signal to the signal chart for hook/wrap. (Keep the hold signal that's what a hook and wrap is a hold).
14. Adding an additional signal to the signal chart for a trip. (Keep the block signal that what a trip is)
15. Adding an additional signal to the signal chart for basket interference. (Wave off; no need to change)

16. Adding an additional signal to the signal chart for an official’s accidental whistle.(I agree with jdw).

Penalize officials who refuse to use the appropriate signals in NFHS books. No post season assignments.
These would add the NCAA signals. If signals make for better communication, good.

Is there a, "Givin' him the business signal"?

bob jenkins Tue Feb 12, 2008 01:10pm
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Originally Posted by MadCityRef
Amen. Could not care less what color the head gear is.
Agreed, but that wasn't one of the choices.

They should either remove the restrictions on the color of the hair-control devices entierely, or make them all conform to the color and logo requirements. The current "headbands must conform, but pre-wrap and other bands needn't" doesn't work.

JoeTheRef Tue Feb 12, 2008 01:21pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by lpneck
I would.

This would make it in line with women's college, which is EASIER, not more difficult, than HS basketball. You don't have to worry if it's a head band, or a hair control device, or pre-wrap, or whatever.

If it goes around their head, it has to be a legal color, and everyone has to wear the same color. Period.
I agree. It looks like the FED is continuing to move towards the NCAA-W mechanics and rules.

Red_Killian Tue Feb 12, 2008 01:46pm
3. Having any item that goes around the entire head (elastic strips/bands, pre-wrap, headbands, etc.) meet the same rule requirements regarding color uniformity (currently only the headband must meet those requirements)?

MN started doing this mid-season back in December. Here is the pertinent details from an email to all officials, coaches and ADs.

Beginning with games played on December 14, Minnesota will consider any item that is worn around the head to be a headband and must comply with the headband rules. Headbands must be a maximum of 2 inches wide, white, beige or a single solid color similar to the torso of the jersey and must be the same color for all participants of that team. Note: Beige has been added as a legal color.

Items that do not meet the above requirements are considered hair decorations which are considered to be illegal equipment. Players are not allowed to play or warm up while wearing illegal equipment.

After the initial hub-bub died down (coaches saying they hadn't seen the email), within a week everyone was on the same page. It has made life easier for us officials in my opinion.

Stat-Man Tue Feb 12, 2008 04:07pm
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Originally Posted by jdw3018
What's more fun than figuring out how they're going to fit 5 new signals on the chart is guessing what the signals will be.

I like the "Doh!" smack to the forehead for number 12, the "self-hug" for 13, laying prone on the floor for 14, a wagging "get that out of here" finger for 15, and 16 should simply be running to the locker room with your head up your a$$.
These are new NCAA-W signals which are present in the back of this year's rule book.

M&M Guy Tue Feb 12, 2008 04:37pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdw3018
What's more fun than figuring out how they're going to fit 5 new signals on the chart is guessing what the signals will be.

I like the "Doh!" smack to the forehead for number 12, the "self-hug" for 13, laying prone on the floor for 14, a wagging "get that out of here" finger for 15, and <font color=red>16 should simply be running to the locker room with your head up your a$$</font color>.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stat-Man
These are new NCAA-W signals which are present in the back of this year's rule book.
Sorry, but #16 isn't back there.

(Although I've used it...)

deecee Tue Feb 12, 2008 05:22pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JHamp
I think he means there might be a phantom shooting foul called to break the tie and not allow the game to go into OT.
No he does not mean that -- I have worked with him. Lets just say there CAN be tie games in basektball.

gordon30307 Tue Feb 12, 2008 05:31pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
The only thing encouraging about this list is they're not asking about signals for over-the-back and reaching. :o

BTW - since OT is an extension of the fourth quarter, shouldn't we start it with a POI from how the fourth quarter ended? It wouldn't have any effect on me, however, since I don't allow overtimes.
One more signal you forgot moving screen:eek:

deecee Tue Feb 12, 2008 05:34pm
I would love a signal for "your kid is not as good as you think he/she is"

HawkeyeCubP Tue Feb 12, 2008 06:09pm
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Originally Posted by truerookie
Penalize officials who refuse to use the appropriate signals in NFHS books. No post season assignments.
Those 8 officials in the country that don't ever use unapproved signals are going to be busy this post-season.

BillyMac Tue Feb 12, 2008 08:15pm
Seriously, Take My Overtime ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdw3018
You all are taking the comment much too seriously. It's an ongoing theme on the board with Padgett.
Sigh.

truerookie Tue Feb 12, 2008 09:05pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP
Those 8 officials in the country that don't ever use unapproved signals are going to be busy this post-season.
:D


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