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just another ref Tue Feb 05, 2008 03:07am

The worst?
 
Which is worst case scenario for an official?

Rec leagues?
Little girls games?
Games where everybody know you by name?

The answer: All of the above, which is what I had tonight. The last game of the night. Actually pretty high quality for this kind of game. Hard fought and close. I was not happy with the job we did, but, well we did what we could.
I have a series of partners in this league, none of whom has ever been a registered official, and let's just say it gets interesting. The finishing touch tonight came at the end of the above mentioned game. A parent from the winning team, a guy I've known for 30+ years, a guy who has played ball all his life and even used to do some jr. high officiating yells, "We won in spite of them! No calls!" Is it just me or how big an *** do you have to be to yell this at the end of an 11-12 year old girls game, no matter what was or wasn't called. The thing that annoyed me most was how much hearing him yell this annoyed me, if that makes any sense. I'll be okay. Tomorrow is another day.
Back to the peaceful surroundings of varsity games and a gym filled mostly with strangers.

Nevadaref Tue Feb 05, 2008 03:11am

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Originally Posted by just another ref
Which is worst case scenario for an official?
<strike>Rec leagues?</strike>
<strike>Little girls games?</strike>
Games where everybody know you by name?

I don't work the first two and the third is true for about 90% of my HS varsity games. It doesn't bother me at all. I actually prefer it.

Loudwhistle Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref
Which is worst case scenario for an official?

Rec leagues?
Little girls games?
Games where everybody know you by name?

The answer: All of the above, which is what I had tonight. The last game of the night. Actually pretty high quality for this kind of game. Hard fought and close. I was not happy with the job we did, but, well we did what we could.
I have a series of partners in this league, none of whom has ever been a registered official, and let's just say it gets interesting. The finishing touch tonight came at the end of the above mentioned game. A parent from the winning team, a guy I've known for 30+ years, a guy who has played ball all his life and even used to do some jr. high officiating yells, "We won in spite of them! No calls!" Is it just me or how big an *** do you have to be to yell this at the end of an 11-12 year old girls game, no matter what was or wasn't called. The thing that annoyed me most was how much hearing him yell this annoyed me, if that makes any sense. I'll be okay. Tomorrow is another day.
Back to the peaceful surroundings of varsity games and a gym filled mostly with strangers.

JAR,
You need to add three more items to your list to get the full affects of worst case scenario reffing:
4. Your daughter is playing in the game
5. Most of the players are your students that you are currently teaching
6. Your wife is one of the coaches!

See you had it pretty good after all!:D I feel for you though, it helps me to get past the annoying comments by thinking that I'm here for the kids, and like you said, "Tomorrow is another day!"

I've had fair success in shutting up the loud mouth parent(s), by asking them days later when I see them up town or at the next game (before it starts) if they would mind helping out with reffing future games, I say this sincerely and mention that we could use some help at the games, especially with reffing. Most of the time this shuts them up at future games and in a couple of cases they take the bait and try to ref a game with me, funny how it only takes one game of trying to reff these lower level games and the parent never steps forward again, they usually tell me at the end of their one game that they never had a clue how difficult it is to see plays, fouls, violations ect, half can't even remember how to blow the whistle!

chartrusepengui Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:22am

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Originally Posted by Loudwhistle
JAR,
You need to add three more items to your list to get the full affects of worst case scenario reffing:
4. Your daughter is playing in the game
5. Most of the players are your students that you are currently teaching
6. Your wife is one of the coaches!

See you had it pretty good after all!:D I feel for you though, it helps me to get past the annoying comments by thinking that I'm here for the kids, and like you said, "Tomorrow is another day!"

I've had fair success in shutting up the loud mouth parent(s), by asking them days later when I see them up town or at the next game (before it starts) if they would mind helping out with reffing future games, I say this sincerely and mention that we could use some help at the games, especially with reffing. Most of the time this shuts them up at future games and in a couple of cases they take the bait and try to ref a game with me, funny how it only takes one game of trying to reff these lower level games and the parent never steps forward again, they usually tell me at the end of their one game that they never had a clue how difficult it is to see plays, fouls, violations ect, half can't even remember how to blow the whistle!

What an opportunity - you actually get to make your wife keep quiet while you go about your business. And you say this is worst case? This sounds more like an hour and a half of HEAVEN!!!!!!!!:D

Loudwhistle Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:03pm

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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui
What an opportunity - you actually get to make your wife keep quiet while you go about your business. And you say this is worst case? This sounds more like an hour and a half of HEAVEN!!!!!!!!:D

Who the H*ll ever said she keeps quiet! Luckily I've somehow acquired this ability to not hear her, I'm sure I'm the only husband with this gift!

chartrusepengui Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:06pm

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Originally Posted by Loudwhistle
Who the H*ll ever said she keeps quiet! Luckily I've somehow acquired this ability to not hear her, I'm sure I'm the only husband with this gift!

I used to love watching that commercial on TV where the official was sitting there with no expression while his wife was screaming at him:)

rainmaker Tue Feb 05, 2008 01:20pm

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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui
What an opportunity - you actually get to make your wife keep quiet while you go about your business. And you say this is worst case? This sounds more like an hour and a half of HEAVEN!!!!!!!!:D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle
Who the H*ll ever said she keeps quiet! Luckily I've somehow acquired this ability to not hear her, I'm sure I'm the only husband with this gift!


Quote:

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui
I used to love watching that commercial on TV where the official was sitting there with no expression while his wife was screaming at him:)

I try to let you guys coast in your little "boys will be boys" mode, but this is just too much. If you married a harridan, that's your problem. Please don't act like this is a wife thing, or a woman thing. Please take your marriage issues to a counselor or divorce lawyer, and leave the rest of us out of it.

Adam Tue Feb 05, 2008 01:22pm

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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui
What an opportunity - you actually get to make your wife keep quiet while you go about your business. And you say this is worst case? This sounds more like an hour and a half of HEAVEN!!!!!!!!:D

Followed by a night on the couch (sorry, Juulie.)

chartrusepengui Tue Feb 05, 2008 01:24pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
I try to let you guys coast in your little "boys will be boys" mode, but this is just too much. If you married a harridan, that's your problem. Please don't act like this is a wife thing, or a woman thing. Please take your marriage issues to a counselor or divorce lawyer, and leave the rest of us out of it.


What? Did someone say something? ???? :)

rainmaker Tue Feb 05, 2008 01:25pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Followed by a night on the couch (sorry, Juulie.)

It's not me you're insulting, Snaz, and it's not me you have to apologize to.

Scrapper1 Tue Feb 05, 2008 01:27pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
I try to let you guys coast in your little "boys will be boys" mode, but this is just too much.

Come on. Laughing at a funny beer commercial is too much? ;)

Quote:

Please take your marriage issues to a counselor or divorce lawyer, and leave the rest of us out of it.
I don't think anybody mentioned "the rest of you". It's a funny image, nothing more.

rainmaker Tue Feb 05, 2008 01:35pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Come on. Laughing at a funny beer commercial is too much? ;)

I don't think anybody mentioned "the rest of you". It's a funny image, nothing more.

Even without the references to the commercial, I find the attitude projected by calling an hour and a half of a silent wife "HEAVEN!!!" troublesome. Seriously, it's none of our business what relationship problems the penguin has with his wife, and he shouldn't be airing them here.

WIth regard to the advertising, I know we disagree about this, and I won't say another word after this one. Re-inforcing false and insulting stereotypes is never funny, imo, and does more damage than is worth whatever humor may be derived by some people.

I"m done.

Bearfanmike20 Tue Feb 05, 2008 01:43pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Even without the references to the commercial, I find the attitude projected by calling an hour and a half of a silent wife "HEAVEN!!!" troublesome. Seriously, it's none of our business what relationship problems the penguin has with his wife, and he shouldn't be airing them here.

WIth regard to the advertising, I know we disagree about this, and I won't say another word after this one. Re-inforcing false and insulting stereotypes is never funny, imo, and does more damage than is worth whatever humor may be derived by some people.

I"m done.

**I'm gonna pay for this... **

I would like to find out if your husband feels the same.... ;)

Adam Tue Feb 05, 2008 01:49pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
It's not me you're insulting, Snaz, and it's not me you have to apologize to.

Actually, my point is that if I spent an hour and a half shutting my wife up, I'd certainly not be sharing a bed with her later.

My wife isn't exactly chatty kathy, but I guarantee she wouldn't be happy.

I'll share this with my wife later and report back to you whether or not I get in trouble. :)

Adam Tue Feb 05, 2008 01:51pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
WIth regard to the advertising, I know we disagree about this, and I won't say another word after this one. Re-inforcing false and insulting stereotypes is never funny, imo, and does more damage than is worth whatever humor may be derived by some people.

Should we talk now about all the bumbling Dads on television? Since we're talking about negative stereotypes meant to get a laugh or two. ;)

chartrusepengui Tue Feb 05, 2008 01:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rainmaker
Even without the references to the commercial, I find the attitude projected by calling an hour and a half of a silent wife "HEAVEN!!!" troublesome. Seriously, it's none of our business what relationship problems the penguin has with his wife, and he shouldn't be airing them here.

WIth regard to the advertising, I know we disagree about this, and I won't say another word after this one. Re-inforcing false and insulting stereotypes is never funny, imo, and does more damage than is worth whatever humor may be derived by some people.

I"m done.

FYI - yy relationship with my wife is great - which is why I can make that comment without fear, worry etc. I am not and was not airing "relationship problems" as you state. I am terribly sorry you feel so threatened by the comment. Perhaps the "stereotype" used in my post was insulting to you but I think it's pretty presumptuous of you to insinuate that this stereotype is false in all cases and causes "more damage than it is worth." This may be true for you - but hundreds of comedians have made careers disagreeing with you. Readers digest even says - Laughter is the Best Medicine! You may have your opinion - but please don't preach. I made a comment that was funny IMO - you didn't agree. You preached- I don't agree.

Rich Tue Feb 05, 2008 02:08pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Even without the references to the commercial, I find the attitude projected by calling an hour and a half of a silent wife "HEAVEN!!!" troublesome. Seriously, it's none of our business what relationship problems the penguin has with his wife, and he shouldn't be airing them here.

WIth regard to the advertising, I know we disagree about this, and I won't say another word after this one. Re-inforcing false and insulting stereotypes is never funny, imo, and does more damage than is worth whatever humor may be derived by some people.

I"m done.

Thanks for coming on and reinforcing that you simply can't ignore something you should ignore.

rainmaker Tue Feb 05, 2008 02:10pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Should we talk now about all the bumbling Dads on television? Since we're talking about negative stereotypes meant to get a laugh or two. ;)

I don't know if we need to talk about it. I agree that I don't like those negative stereotypes. We don't let our kids watch many of those shows at all, when we have the choice. And they mostly don't want to watch them, anyway. It's just not funny very often to see someone acting like a dork.

Adam Tue Feb 05, 2008 02:14pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
I don't know if we need to talk about it. I agree that I don't like those negative stereotypes. We don't let our kids watch many of those shows at all, when we have the choice. And they mostly don't want to watch them, anyway. It's just not funny very often to see someone acting like a dork.

Agreed. Our kids don't watch any of them, period. But I believe mine are younger than yours, IMS. (2 and 7) He!!, my wife previews all the Hannah Montana shows before letting our 7 year old daughter watch them.

We, on the other hand, watch a lot of stuff we won't let the kids watch. Personally, I find According to Jim to be hilarious in spite of the bumbling Dad stereotype; just as I did with Home Improvement. But I'd never let my daughter watch Jim (I might let her watch HI re-runs, though.)

Yeah, I'm a hypocrite. ;)

Camron Rust Tue Feb 05, 2008 02:25pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
I don't know if we need to talk about it. I agree that I don't like those negative stereotypes. We don't let our kids watch many of those shows at all, when we have the choice. And they mostly don't want to watch them, anyway. It's just not funny very often to see someone acting like a dork.

Why is it that every comical portrayal that involves a "protected" class gets slammed with a stereotype label. Do we want every commercial to portray all participants as if they were Ozzie and Harriet (or the Cleavers). That video only protrated ONE person in that light and made no suggestion about other women....in fact it showed exactly one man and one women behaving the same....where's the comment about the "stereotype" of the coach???? Double standard?? As far as I know, they don't have a pattern of commercials (or even two) that puport that all women/wives are that way. In fact, they have commercials protraying people of all types (genders, races, ages, nationalities, etc.) in funny situations. Its called humor....but apparently its only OK if the target of the humor is a man.

Loudwhistle Tue Feb 05, 2008 02:27pm

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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui
FYI - yy relationship with my wife is great - which is why I can make that comment without fear, worry etc. I am not and was not airing "relationship problems" as you state. I am terribly sorry you feel so threatened by the comment. Perhaps the "stereotype" used in my post was insulting to you but I think it's pretty presumptuous of you to insinuate that this stereotype is false in all cases and causes "more damage than it is worth." This may be true for you - but hundreds of comedians have made careers disagreeing with you. Readers digest even says - Laughter is the Best Medicine! You may have your opinion - but please don't preach. I made a comment that was funny IMO - you didn't agree. You preached- I don't agree.

Totally agree with you Chartruse, very solid in my marriage and most people just enjoy the humor of the whole picture with hometown situation and wife is coach and daughter playing, puts added pressure on the husband reff! Like it or not, I do value what my wife says on and off the court, nothing meant by earlier posts, just a little comment to bring a laugh to make life go by, never cared much for overly anal people!

Jurassic Referee Tue Feb 05, 2008 03:52pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Even without the references to the commercial, I find the attitude projected by calling an hour and a half of a silent wife "HEAVEN!!!" troublesome. .

I would have been absolutely amazed if you hadn't.

JRutledge Tue Feb 05, 2008 05:23pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Even without the references to the commercial, I find the attitude projected by calling an hour and a half of a silent wife "HEAVEN!!!" troublesome. Seriously, it's none of our business what relationship problems the penguin has with his wife, and he shouldn't be airing them here.

Juulie you are not married to a woman, so you really cannot talk for what a husband would think.

I lived with my girlfriend for about 5 years and I can tell you silence was often heaven for me. :)

Peace

SmokeEater Wed Feb 06, 2008 09:04am

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Even without the references to the commercial, I find the attitude projected by calling an hour and a half of a silent wife "HEAVEN!!!" troublesome. Seriously, it's none of our business what relationship problems the penguin has with his wife, and he shouldn't be airing them here.

Its funny you say this, its actually my wife who says the reason our marriage has lasted 25 years is because of this fact. We just "never" talk to each other that way we can't argue..... j/k.:D

BillyMac Wed Feb 06, 2008 08:07pm

Learned Behavior ....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui
I used to love watching that commercial on TV where the official was sitting there with no expression while his wife was screaming at him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIiidguveDo

Scrapper1 Thu Feb 07, 2008 08:23am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

Yup. Still funny. :D

mbyron Thu Feb 07, 2008 08:39am

Hey, as long as you're searching, could you find that episode of "Green Acres" where the mule... aw, never mind.

BillyMac Thu Feb 07, 2008 08:19pm

Fresh Air, Times Square ...
 
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Originally Posted by mbyron
Hey, as long as you're searching, could you find that episode of "Green Acres" where the mule...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBdob...eature=related

Back In The Saddle Fri Feb 08, 2008 02:50am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Yup. Still funny. :D

Oh yeah. One of my favorites ever. :)

Back In The Saddle Fri Feb 08, 2008 02:53am

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
I try to let you guys coast in your little "boys will be boys" mode, but this is just too much. If you married a harridan, that's your problem. Please don't act like this is a wife thing, or a woman thing. Please take your marriage issues to a counselor or divorce lawyer, and leave the rest of us out of it.

Boys will be boys? Way to stereotype men there, princess. :rolleyes:


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