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Congrats!!!
Congrats to icallfouls!!!!
He was just selected to represent our association in the Oregon 5A/6A Boys State Tournament. While not his first tournament, it is his first at this level. A big, whopping, way-to-go!!! :D |
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Congrats to icallfouls for your assignment.
Camron, could you clarify what that assignment means. Does that mean he will be working the State Championship game or does that mean he is working a level close to the State Championship game? Peace |
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As for Jim's tourney, the 5A and 6A boys play seperate brackets the same site. So, the 6 we send, along with the other 6 from the rest of the state, work the quarterfinals, semi-finals, and finals for both brackets. There are only 4 games the first day so only 8 work on Wednesday, but there are 6 games on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, so all 12 work those days....everyone gets either 3 or 4 games. The first couple of days of games (quarterfinals and some consolation games) are predetermined but the semis/finals assignments are determined at the tourney. |
Does Oregon use two-man for state too?
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Congrats Jim! Way to go!
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Cam and Juulie,
Thanks for the clarification. Your system sounds a lot like our system except we work 3 Person for all of our games and we do not call that level the State Tournament, we call it the State Finals. I just wanted to make sure he was working a higher level than I first thought. Peace |
Icallfouls is doing State??? What idiot made that decision? Good grief...
Just kidding - Jim knows that something like this can't occur without catching some crap from his buddies. Way to go Jim!! Kinda makes up for some of the other "stuff" this season, doesn't it!:p |
Congrats!! Enjoy
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Camron - congrats to you as well for being on the cusp of getting a state assignment as well. I noticed you were the next one on the list. What a difference a vote makes, eh?
I always enjoy looking at the table of results and seeing who ended up where. I was quite surprised to see my namesake as high on the list as he was. I just don't get it, but maybe he's better than I give him credit for. Anyway...well done for being so high on the list! |
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Here is how it looked...14th through 20th....school vote = 1, officials vote = 0.435. I'm the one in red. <TABLE style="WIDTH: 51pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=68 border=0 x:str><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 51pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 2486" width=68><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.1pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=18><TD class=xl19 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 51pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 14.1pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccffcc" width=68 height=18 x:num="31.764705882352942">31.765</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.1pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=18><TD class=xl19 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 14.1pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccffcc" height=18 x:num="31.329411764705881">31.329</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.1pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=18><TD class=xl19 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 14.1pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccffcc" height=18 x:num="30.847058823529412">30.847</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.1pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=18><TD class=xl19 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 14.1pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccffcc" height=18 x:num="30.28235294117647">30.282</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.1pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=18><TD class=xl19 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 14.1pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccffcc" height=18 x:num="29.976470588235294">29.976</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.1pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=18><TD class=xl19 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 14.1pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccffcc" height=18 x:num="29.894117647058824">29.894</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 14.1pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=18><TD class=xl19 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 1pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 14.1pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccffcc" height=18 x:num>29.800</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Quote:
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So the school (read as Coach) vote is worth more than twice as much as your peer votes or evaluation? Why????:confused:
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In fact, the way the equation works is that the coaches votes as a group are weighted equal to the officials as a group based on the number of ballots submitted from each...so the number changes from year to year. Last year it was nearly 4:1 and near 3:1 the the year before. So, we really hounded the coaches this year to get it down to what it was. I also rewrote the process for getting coaches votes submitted through RefTown (so they had easy and clear access and also had picture ballots). We got the best turnout from the coaches ever....but still less than half voted. We have about 230 eligible officials and 160 eligible coaches. If the same number of each voted, it would be 1:1, however, we'll always get better turnout from officials than coaches....so it will never get close to 1:1. I had, when we revamped our tourney selection process 2 years ago, proposed keeping the ratio but with a cap of 2:1 based on the fact that in a lower turnout year, 1 or 2 coaches votes could completely reshuffle the list. I was shot down. |
Were you shot down by the old guard who have become chummy with the coaches over the years, but know they can't keep up with some of the younger guys moving up in the Association?
It's a system that could never be perfect, but as it is now, it is more flawed than perfect. It is what it is, though. I was surprised that the coaches votes were so much more significant. |
So coaches vote for ALL officials, even ones that might not have done one of their games this season? And if one coach really, really dislikes an official, that one bad vote can REALLY damage that official's chances of going to State??
I have said this before, but here it goes again - the rating system in Oregon is messed up. As far as I'm concerned, coaches should have little, if any, say in determining who works postseason games. Too much emotion, too much baggage... |
There are no "bad votes", only votes. So you either get a vote from a coach or you don't. And yes, the coaches vote for the same list of officials as the rest of the Association votes on. Whether they worked a game at their school or not. Doesn't exactly seem right, does it?
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Ahhhh, so they can't vote "No" on anyone. I see...But they can leave a name blank, which ends up hurting the official also. Still too much power in the hands of the inmates, imho.
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That is why I like our system. Coaches have input but their input can be trumped by fellow officials. And post season assignments are not decided by the input, it is the only a very small consideration of a larger scale. Peace |
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I do think the coaches have more say than they should...its too much of a conflict of interest for them to have a substantially more strongly weighted vote. However, I also see the sides of those in favor of coaches having a say...it forces the officials to work more "with" the coaches than default to being their adversaries. It forces officials to communicate more and be more approachable. At the same time, it also opens the door for politicing and such. Of course, no matter how you slice it, someone will not like it (that someone who'd do better under what they'd prefer). |
Looking forward to it
Thanks to everyone for taking a moment to offer congratulations.
It is a great opportunity/honor/responsibility to be selected. I am grateful that my peers think that I am good enough to represent them. As far as the coaches, I think that they respect my ability to communicate, adjudicate a fair contest, and work hard to get plays right. |
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