Inbound bounce pass question
 

I've had this happen a couple times in games and didn't call anything. Looked for it later in my rule book but couldn't find a ruling, but I know the experts here can help me on this one.

When a player is inbounding the ball and uses a bounce bass to get the ball to his teammate in play, is it okay if the bounce pass lands on the endline or the sideline and is then grabbed by someone in play?

No. The game of basketball is played within the bounds of the playing surface. Try looking under Rule 9 - Violations.

I believe they have those in TN near the rubber plants...:eek:




but seriously, that is a violation.

From 06-07 rules
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=14></TD><TD width=14>http://nfhs.eofficials.com/nfhs/images/dirtree.gif</TD><TD class=nfhsMainFtSmBld vAlign=bottom align=left width="100%" colSpan=3>Rule 7: Out of Bounds and the Throw-in</TD></TR><TR><TD width=14> </TD><TD width=14> </TD><TD width=14>http://nfhs.eofficials.com/nfhs/images/dirtree.gif</TD><TD class=nfhsMainFtSmBld vAlign=bottom align=left width="100%" colSpan=2>Section 6: Throw-in Administration</TD></TR><TR><TD width=14> </TD><TD width=14> </TD><TD width=14> </TD><TD width=14>http://nfhs.eofficials.com/nfhs/images/dirtree.gif</TD><TD class=nfhsMainFtSmBld vAlign=bottom align=left width="100%">Article 1</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=4 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=nfhsMainFtMd vAlign=top colSpan=6>Art. 1... The throw-in starts when the ball is at the disposal of a player of the team entitled to the throw-in. The thrower shall release the ball on a pass directly into the court, except as in 7-5-7, within five seconds after the throw-in starts. The throw-in pass shall touch another player (inbounds or out of bounds) on the court before going out of bounds untouched. The throw-in pass shall not touch a teammate while it is on the out-of-bounds side of the throw-in boundary plane.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=nfhsMainFtMd vAlign=top noWrap>


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Thanks, fellas. That's what I thought. I don't have my rule book with me here at work, so I'm looking for an example in my case book. At any rate, I now know for sure it's a violation.

Follow-up:
After a made basket by Team A, B1 can grab the ball and throw it to B2 who is also out of bounds on the end line, and B2 can then legally inbound it. But after a stoppage of play, this cannot be done. Am I correct?

If stoppage of play is because of a time out or as described below and the throw-in is still the endline, Team B retains this priviledge.

Rule 7-5-7
<TABLE cellSpacing=4 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=nfhsMainFtMd vAlign=top colSpan=6>Art. 7... After a goal or awarded goal as in 7-4-3, the team not credited with the score shall make the throw-in from the end of the court where the goal was made and from any point outside the end line. A team retains this privilege if the scoring team commits a violation or common foul (before the throw-in ends and before the bonus is in effect) and the ensuing throw-in spot would have been on the end line. Any player of the team may make a direct throw-in or he/she may pass the ball along the end line to a teammate(s) outside the boundary line.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

So, basically, if the inbounding team retains the privilege of running the baseline, they can also pass it to a teammate out of bounds first. Is that limited to one out-of-bounds pass?

You won't find a limit in the rule book.

As Snaqwells said; no limit other than 5 seconds to throw-in to a player inbounds. They can pass it to all 5 players OOBs and then to anyone of the 5 in bounds, as long as it is within the 5 second count.

Can a player from team B reach across the endline (keeping his feet "in-bounds") and steal the ball while Team A passes the ball to each other? Is this action considered "passing" or part of the inbound process?

No this would be a "T" Rule 9-2-11 Pen.3

To cause further thought...
 

For our newer forum members.....

What if B1 reaches across the boundary line and fouls the inbounder? What is the call?

Adding to the "What if".... the foul occurs during an Alt. Possession throw-in?

Interesting links. Does one normally have to pay to access the rules this way?

You have to belong to the NFOA. If you're in a "100% participation state", then you're automatically a member.

Some formatting errors during this thread.

I'm not a member, but I can still access the site through the link. I did notice, however, that it's the '06-'07 rulebook.

Why did you spoil it for the newbies? :(

Here's a different sit:

Ball OOB on the sideline but right at the corner where the endline meets the sideline. Player inbounding the ball steps along the endline - still OOB - before releasing the ball. Just picture the player standing OOB on the sideline at the corner of the court and stepping towards the court but remaining OOB because the foot is on the side of the endline. If the sideline continued past the endline they would have stepped over that extended line.

Because there was no defensive pressure, I let it go but after I thought about it a little, I may have chunked it.

Happy now?

I follow ya. I got nutin'.

Technical foul on B1?
If during alt poss throw in, ball goes back to Team A?

Rule 9-2-11 ('06-07) see penalty 4
<TABLE cellSpacing=4 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=nfhsMainFtMd vAlign=top colSpan=6>Art. 11... The opponent(s) of the thrower shall not have any part of his/her person through the inbounds side of the throw-in boundary-line plane until the ball has been released on a throw-in pass.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=nfhsMainFtSm vAlign=top colSpan=6>Note: The thrower may penetrate the plane provided he/she does not touch the inbounds area before the ball is released on the throw-in pass. The opponent in this situation may legally touch or grasp the ball.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=nfhsMainFtSmBld style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px"> </TD><TD class=nfhsMainFtSmBld vAlign=top align=left colSpan=5>PENALTIES:</TD></TR><TR><TD class=nfhsMainFtSmBld style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px"> </TD><TD class=nfhsMainFtSmBld vAlign=top align=middle colSpan=2>1.</TD><TD class=nfhsMainFtSm vAlign=top colSpan=3>The first violation of the throw-in boundary-line plane by an opponent(s) of the thrower shall result in a team warning for delay being given (one delay warning per team per game). The warning does not result in the loss of the opportunity to move along the end line when and if applicable.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=nfhsMainFtSmBld style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px"> </TD><TD class=nfhsMainFtSmBld vAlign=top align=middle colSpan=2>2.</TD><TD class=nfhsMainFtSm vAlign=top colSpan=3>The second or additional violations will result in a technical foul assessed to the offending team. See 10-1-10 Penalty.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=nfhsMainFtSmBld style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px"> </TD><TD class=nfhsMainFtSmBld vAlign=top align=middle colSpan=2>3.</TD><TD class=nfhsMainFtSm vAlign=top colSpan=3>If an opponent(s) of the thrower reaches through the throw-in boundary-line plane and touches or dislodges the ball while in possession of the thrower or being passed to a teammate outside the boundary line (as in 7-5-7), a technical foul shall be charged to the offender. No warning for delay required. See 10-3-11 Penalty.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=nfhsMainFtSmBld style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px"> </TD><TD class=nfhsMainFtSmBld vAlign=top align=middle colSpan=2>4.</TD><TD class=nfhsMainFtSm vAlign=top colSpan=3>If an opponent(s) of the thrower reaches through the throw-in boundary-line plane and fouls the thrower, an intentional personal foul shall be charged to the offender. No warning for delay required.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Is it out of bounds if the thrower under the basket hits the net or the rim?
Or at halfcourt throws a pass and it hits the rim? I swear I've seen that happen a few times and it hasn't been called out. But I think I remember seeing it called out when a player threw a pass that hit the net under his basket.

The net, rim, basket, etc are all inbounds. How can anyone possibly call them OOB?:confused:

If a shot hits the net or rim, would anyone ever call it OOB?

I've had a couple of refs tell me the net was out of bounds on a throw in and others who said it wasn't so I was confused on it. Luckily I haven't called it

If there is a made basket off an inbounds does the other team get the ball at the thrown in spot?

Huh? :confused:

If the thrower throws the ball so that it enters the basket prior to being touched by any player on the court, it is a throwin violation and the opposing team will get the ball from the spot from where the thrower released the ball.

I believe this would be an intentional foul on B1.
As for adding the wrinkle of the AP, after A1's FT's, Team A gets the ball back at the same spot for a throw-in BUT the arrow stays "A" after the throw-in is completed.

If there's a T on B1, the ball will always go back to A. Of course, it'll be a midcourt opposite the table, and it will follow two free throws. ;)

What if the ball gets stuck between the Ring and backboard (this was a question in one of my rule tests last year) AP or throw-in violation (or something else?)?

9-2-8

You'd be opening up yourself to controversy by calling a violation here; as it is not a good practice but the ball into play from that position. Best thing to do would be to stop play (if there was pressure) and definitively move the thrower to either the sideline or endline allowing for space to make a throw in.

Naw, you designated the throw-in spot. The spot is three feet wide and they can back up as deep as they can go. Just make sure that the the thrower keeps a foot on or over that designated spot before releasing the ball on the throw-in. That's all that needed to have a legal throw-in. Forget about everything else and don't overthink the play.