Disconcertion Rule...
 

Last night I had a girls' JV game. Away team is ahead by 15 and, in this game, that equals about a 30 point lead. Anyway, one of the guards on the away team just yells "hey, hey hey" EVERY time a player near her has the ball and she's on defense.

At what point do you call a violation for disconcertion (or is it a T? I have to look that up)?

Ultimately, at the beginning of the 4th quarter, I pulled the away coach aside and asked her to politely ask her player to tone down the yelling. Said that different officials define "disconcertion" differently, but it is a rule violation and not a part of the game. (There had been a scrum involving in the 3rd quarter for a jump ball and almost started something had I not been running toward the scrum to keep heads cool.) I told the coach that I just didn't want to see tempers get higher and it would help out to have her stop with the yelling. She did, and the game ended fine.

What do you think? All I have to say is that it was REALLY ANNOYING! I mean, it's one thing to yell, "dead, dead, dead", but this was a bit much for me. :)

Disconsertion only applies during a freethrow and only warrants another freethrow if the disconcerted freethrow is missed. There is no other rules basis until you get to unsportsmanlike issues.

(edited to make quoted section shorter)

Nothing illegal there. Happens all the time here, all the girls teams yell BALL BALL BALL BALL BALL when they're closely guarding someone on the perimiter. It's stupid.

Anyone think I was out of line asking the coach to have the player tone it down a bit? Had it been a close game, I probably would not have said anything. But, IMO, the game was over and it was just pouring salt in wounds...didn't want to have a scrum on my hands.

Agree with Sam and JS...annoying as all hell but perfectly legal.

what if instead of hey hey hey, it was just screaming, like really really loud screaming, right in their ear, point blank? Or maybe not even point blank, just screaming?

I have only T'd for yelling once and that was a player runing out towards a 3 point shotter yelling AAAAA. She had no chance of getting there in time and it was obvious it was only to distract the shooter... easy T
But in your case, ask her to tone it down, but I think it has to go VERY far to warrant a T

Me.

Me too.

:eek:(unless AAAAA is a dirty word in Swedish)

Where do you find distracting a shooter to be unsporting? Isn't getting a hand up on defense intended to distract the shooter? Is that a T as well? How about calling for a different defense? That is intended to confuse the offense and make them change their play, essentially the same as distracting the shooter.

...alrighty then...

Guess I kicked it...

As I understand it, no Swedish word has repeated vowels (SAAB is an acronym).

...scream all you want, just don't face guard......

Just Finnish and Dutch

I'm in line behind you.

Please don't make up your own rules...
 

...there is no rule that prohibits a player from "screaming" or "yelling" during the scenarios (try for goal) cited in this thread. It may be annoying, but it is not illegal.

This is not a new phenomenon--Players have been doing this forever/probably more on the girls side than boys.

And I behind you fullor!

We've had this discussion on this forum before. Consensus is - no one likes it; it's bothersome and can be annoying; heck, it gives me a headache sometimes - but, it's not against the rules - unfortunately.....

My question to a coach (for my education only) would be this - where did you learn this was an acceptable technique and why do you teach it? Pros, college, HS - don't do it. Why do you think it's ok? JMO

Edit - Also gets into the territory when a player "yells at another" as he goes up for a layup that we've discussed here before too. HEY! or MISS! How loud? In his ear? Unsporting?......T? Not against the rules...

Dang rules differences!
 

I thought I remembered something about this when they started changing rulesets here (ON).

In FIBA play, according to Statement 3 regarding the Technical Foul rule (Art. 38) in their Official Interpetations document (page 13, see link below), such behaviour is illegal and should be penalized with a TF if the attempt is unsuccesful, or with an official warning to the team if successful.
http://www.fiba.com/downloads/Rules/04_rules_int.pdf

Still happy that most of my games use Fed.!

Andrew

Ball, ball, ball, is taught to let weak side defender with back to ball know where ball is, similar to dead, dead, dead, when defense, especially help lines are tightened.

That said, annoying.

Ok...
 

FYI, I am not in the practice of "making up my own rules." I mis-applied the free throw disconcertion rule. Honest mistake. In the future, I will allow this annoying behavior as it is not against the rules...

No you are correct no swedish word looks like that
The player was german though...
Anyhow, as Four-Oh already said, things might be diffrent in FIBA
38.1.2 Each team shall do its best to secure victory, but this must be done in the spirit of sportsmanship and fair play.
38.1.3 Any deliberate or repeated non-cooperation or non-compliance with the spirit of this rule shall be considered as a technical foul.
38.3 Definition
38.3.1 A technical foul is a player non-contact foul of a behavioural nature including, but not limited to:
....
• Baiting an opponent or obstructing his vision by waving his hands near his eyes.
....

And from the link Four-oh posted

Statement 3:
While a player is in the act of shooting for goal, opponents shall not be permitted to disconcert that player by actions such as waving a hand(s) to obstruct the shooter’s field of vision, shouting loudly, stamping feet heavily or clapping hands near the shooter. To do so may result in a
technical foul if the shooter is disadvantaged by the action, or a warning if the shooter is not disadvantaged.
Example
A4 is in the act of shooting for a goal when B4 attempts to distract A4 by shouting loudly or stamping feet heavily of the floor. The shot for goal is:
(a) Successful
(b) Unsuccessful.
Interpretation:
(a) A warning shall be given to B4 and shall be communicated to coach B. This warning shall apply to all players of team B for the remainder of the game for similar behaviour.
(b) A technical foul shall be charged to B4.

The shot she made was unsucessful.
The defensive players actions were acording to me unsportsmanlike. They were not in the spirit of the game and they were a violation of the articles regarding technical fouls. And the shooter was disadvantaged by her actions.
This is when I call the game a technical foul, if it is everywhere in the world I can't say, but that was a foul I would call another 100 times if it came up