The phrase "no call."

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I have been reading a number of threads tonight and appalled at the number of times the phrase "no call" has been used. I remember Peter Webb telling me a number of years ago that there is no such thing as a "no call." Officials have to make hundreds of "yes, thats legal/no, thats not legal" decisions every game. Either the play is legal or the play is not legal. I agree with Peter.

Just my humble opinion and observation.

MTD, Sr.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I have been reading a number of threads tonight and appalled at the number of times the phrase "no call" has been used. I remember Peter Webb telling me a number of years ago that there is no such thing as a "no call." Officials have to make hundreds of "yes, thats legal/no, thats not legal" decisions every game. Either the play is legal or the play is not legal. I agree with Peter.

Just my humble opinion and observation.

MTD, Sr.

I thought "no call" generally referred to a situation that, at face value, looks like an easy foul call but because of the parameters, is doesn't warrant a whistle.

Like contact between driving A1 and B2, where no advantage is gained on either side. Or, A1 posts up on B2, A1 spins into B2 who flops to try and draw an PCF, but the official correctly ignores the flop. It doesn't warrant a call (foul), thus it's a "no-call."

I see nothing wrong with the phrase. It's just a saying.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I have been reading a number of threads tonight and appalled at the number of times the phrase "no call" has been used. I remember Peter Webb telling me a number of years ago that there is no such thing as a "no call." Officials have to make hundreds of "yes, thats legal/no, thats not legal" decisions every game. Either the play is legal or the play is not legal. I agree with Peter.

Just my humble opinion and observation.

MTD, Sr.

Actually if you reverse what you wrote it makes perfect sense...Yes that is illegal, no that isn't illegal...yes call, no call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I have been reading a number of threads tonight and appalled at the number of times the phrase "no call" has been used. I remember Peter Webb telling me a number of years ago that there is no such thing as a "no call." Officials have to make hundreds of "yes, thats legal/no, thats not legal" decisions every game. Either the play is legal or the play is not legal. I agree with Peter.

Just my humble opinion and observation.

MTD, Sr.

If it bothers you, do not use the terminology. But to me anytime I use the term "no call" that means to me a situation where something could easily be called and is not called. It is not about the legality of the situation. For me when contact occurs or when a weird handling of the ball that could be called a foul or a violation, but for some reason is not called. In some cases it could even be something illegal that happens that was not properly called. It is just a term. I do not see the big deal. Almost every evaluator I have ever come in contact uses it at some point and it is a common term in officiating vernacular. I am not going to stop using it anytime soon and it is like any other kind of jargon if you ask me.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

A1 drives and there's contact by B1 that could be called a foul. But because it would negate A1's advantage, the foul is not called.

That's a good no call to me.

No problem with the term.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

With all due respect gentlemen, you are all making my point. If you decide not to put air in the whistle, you are telling everyone that nothing illega has happened. One of the first things I learned as as basketball official is that you have nothing (meaning the play was legal) until you have something (meaning the play was illegal) and that you have something you put air in the whiistle.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. Good night all. Have a good one tomorrow everybody, this old geezer needs to get his beauty sleep (about 3 or 4 centuries worth of beauty sleep).

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

With all due respect gentlemen, you are all making my point.

Which was?

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

With all due respect gentlemen, you are all making my point. If you decide not to put air in the whistle, you are telling everyone that nothing illega has happened. One of the first things I learned as as basketball official is that you have nothing (meaning the play was legal) until you have something (meaning the play was illegal) and that you have something you put air in the whiistle.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. Good night all. Have a good one tomorrow everybody, this old geezer needs to get his beauty sleep (about 3 or 4 centuries worth of beauty sleep).

Actually I don't think we are making your point at all, you are failing to grasp ours.

If as you say it's either a call or isn't, what better describes that happening?

It's either YES there is a CALL with a whistle or NO there is not a CALL and there is no whistle.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

With all due respect gentlemen, you are all making my point. If you decide not to put air in the whistle, you are telling everyone that nothing illega has happened. One of the first things I learned as as basketball official is that you have nothing (meaning the play was legal) until you have something (meaning the play was illegal) and that you have something you put air in the whiistle.

What if you put air in the whistle and the play was legal? What are you telling everyone then?

Peace

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Which was?

My thoughts also............way too much semantics.

[Back In The Saddle]

It's a useful phrase that has significant shared meaning for discussing situations with other officials. I'll continue using it even if it's "incorrect" on some level.

[Idaho]

I was going to say "no comment," but then I realized that if you say "no comment," you've actually made a comment, so the point of saying "no comment" in the first place is lost by adding a comment even though you didn't really comment on anything in the first place.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Idaho

I was going to say "no comment," but then I realized that if you say "no comment," you've actually made a comment, so the point of saying "no comment" in the first place is lost by adding a comment even though you didn't really comment on anything in the first place.

No comment....to this whole thread.

[chartrusepengui]

using or not using the phrase "no call" is paramount to using or not using the hands spread signal to indicate not closely guarded.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

using or not using the phrase "no call" is paramount to using or not using the hands spread signal to indicate not closely guarded.

Or as Mark says 'I have nothing'