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Back In The Saddle Wed Jan 23, 2008 09:07am

The kids were deaf, I guess we were blind
 
Had an intersting DH last night. B & G JV, local private school v. The Utah School for the Deaf and Blind. I was a little curious going in about how this would work.

Met with coaches/captains befor the first game and asked if they needed any special accomodations. Coach said no, but did tell us that their scorekeeper was also deaf and showed us the signs for white and blue, the colors of the two teams. We used them when reporting.

Other than that it was pretty much business as usual. Either they could hear the whistle at least a little (some wore hearing aids) or they stopped when everybody else stopped playing. We only had two situations where players kept playing after the whistle. One was with the kids from other team (the non-deaf kids). :rolleyes:

The deaf kids did sometimes take a second or two longer to set up for things. I'd go to hand the ball to the thrower on the end line and he/she would still be "talking" to teammates, setting up a play. I felt kinda bad for one of the girls a time or two because her teammates had no way to really call out the screens for her.

We made a conscious effort not subconsciously call the game differently because of the one team's handicaps. We even called an intentional on one of the deaf girls who decided to stop the fast break by putting a shoulder into her opponent. But I will admit I was cheering for their girls a bit inside when they finally got to 10 points (It wasn't until the 4th quarter, they didn't make their first field goal until near halftime and lost by 20+ points).

The boys game was just the reverse. The deaf team had some players and controlled the game from the opening tip. It was a fun game to work. I did have to laugh at their coach though. He gave me grief on a foul where I held my whistle a bit about the call being late. Then two minutes later he's giving me the business about anticipating a foul and making calls too early. Made me wish I knew the signs for "make up your mind, will you?" :)

JugglingReferee Wed Jan 23, 2008 09:22am

Great post. A unique experience, no doubt.

MNBlue Wed Jan 23, 2008 09:22am

I have had the pleasure of officiating BB and FB for the Minnesota State Academy for the Deaf. During the pregame of one of the BB games, I used the ASL manual alphabet to introduce my partner and myself. The AD, who was there to interpret the pregame instructions for the captains, told me afterwards he was glad I did that. He told me that if they thought I could sign, the wouldn't swear at me in sign language. We had a good time and a good game.

ca_rumperee Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:02am

Doing a School for the Deaf game is good fer ya.
 
Really takes you out of your comfort zone as a ref. Nothing is business as usual. Mechanics need to be superb, you can't rely on your voice like usual.

You now have to use signals you learned before tipoff to communicate with the book (signals for color). It also challenges you to call the game fairly, as you have to deal with your own personal issues with any concept of 'handicapped' that you might have. Forces you to sort all of that out in your head.

At the California School of the Deaf, the backboards are 'ringed' with led lights (like NBA has for time expiring). Every stoppage of play the lights light up as a guide for the deaf players.

grunewar Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:23am

BITS - Wow! Great post. Must have been a very unique and rewarding experience. Thanks for sharing.

crazy voyager Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:24am

I have never reffed a deaf person acctually
I have been scorekeeping in a game with a deaf player though, he managed just fine though (even though he had a translator to translate everything the coach said during time-outs).
and this link is quite intressting speaking about deaf people
http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/new...8546/arti.html

Coltdoggs Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:30am

I reffed Indiana Deaf School little guys this summer...I think they were like
5th grade. It was kind of interesting and I admit I was a little uneasy at first. We did take a little more patience when putting the ball at their disposal for throw ins and such. Lot's of eye contact with them really helped out.

rockyroad Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:46am

We have the Washington School for the Deaf in my town...I was down there last night running the 30-second shot clock for their girl's game. I have been down there probably 5 times this season. They are fun to watch. They aren't necessarily all that talented, but they play hard and they are soooo into the games. It's also fun watching the different officials as they try to adjust...the girls coach is hearing, but the boys coach is deaf. He has a hearing assistant coach who is allowed to relay his questions to the officials...last night the coach did not like a call in a close game, so he jabs the assistant and reels off this long sting of signs...the assistant starts laughing and says while signing back "No way am I saying that to him. He'll throw me out." No idea what the coach wanted said, but it didn't get said...

Several years ago they hosted an all-deaf school tournament with schools from multiple states (like 16 or something like that). I reffed a couple of games there...it was almost surreal it was so quiet in the stands...

On a side note, we also have the State School for the Blind here in town. While not having a basketball team, they do have a very competitive weight lifting team and travel all around the country to compete...

Coltdoggs Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad
...last night the coach did not like a call in a close game, so he jabs the assistant and reels off this long sting of signs...the assistant starts laughing and says while signing back "No way am I saying that to him. He'll throw me out." No idea what the coach wanted said, but it didn't get said...

:p Yeah, I saw that with my game but it was the players squabbling amongst each other on an errant pass that flew OOB.

Watching the players/coaches communicate with hand signals entirely was pretty neat to see...I know the PG will usually have some sort of hand signal anyway but non-hearing impared players will also vocalize the play set.

I assume during the time out when the coaches hands start flapping and signalling, he's yelling like a mad man? ;)

Texas Aggie Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:45pm

I worked a deaf school years ago. The trick is to slow down, which is what we should pretty much do all the time.

blindzebra Wed Jan 23, 2008 01:36pm

I've done this many times, once when both teams were deaf.

The key is having solid mechanics.

Also it is important that when you have a hearing vs a non-hearing team, you stress the importance of stopping on the whistle to the hearing team at the captains and coaches meeting...I've gone as far as going into their final huddle before the toss to make sure they all know it.

BillyMac Wed Jan 23, 2008 07:12pm

Deaf Team And Deaf Official
 
In our area we have a School For The Deaf. They have an outstanding basketball program and play both deaf and hearing schools. The easiest games are one that involve one hearing team. The hearing players react to the whistle, and the deaf players react to the hearing players.
Games between two deaf teams are tough, but challanging. As stated by previous posters, you have to be on top of your mechanics, especially signals.

We also have a deaf official on our local board. He also happens to be the varsity boys head coach at the forementioned deaf school, so he really knows basketball, and is a good official. When I work with him, I really have to concentrate on my mechanics, especially my signals.

Everytime I work a game at the deaf schol, or work a game with my deaf partner, I walk out of the gym with improved mechanics.

nukewhistle Thu Jan 24, 2008 03:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ca_rumperee
Really takes you out of your comfort zone as a ref. Nothing is business as usual. Mechanics need to be superb, you can't rely on your voice like usual.

You now have to use signals you learned before tipoff to communicate with the book (signals for color). It also challenges you to call the game fairly, as you have to deal with your own personal issues with any concept of 'handicapped' that you might have. Forces you to sort all of that out in your head.

At the California School of the Deaf, the backboards are 'ringed' with led lights (like NBA has for time expiring). Every stoppage of play the lights light up as a guide for the deaf players.

I was there for the first time this week and had to get on the deaf team's coach for being on the court too much and was frustrated I couldn't communicate to the players like getting out of the key. They even had cheerleaders grunting along with the fans and brought out a thumping drum during the full time outs. I guess they feel the vibrations.

bmdwterp Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:34pm

I have a question, are there any allowances that are made for a deaf team vs a hearing team?

IE, more time during timeouts? Are there any guidelines on this?

bob jenkins Mon Jan 12, 2009 01:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmdwterp (Post 567649)
I have a question, are there any allowances that are made for a deaf team vs a hearing team?

IE, more time during timeouts? Are there any guidelines on this?

No "rules" changes. I would be more tolerant of "play after the whistle" and items such as that.

TravelinMan Mon Jan 12, 2009 02:36pm

Never officaited deaf team, but did have deaf partner for JV game in Georgia. I had a lot of respect for him. And he could read lips very proficiently! At meetings, he would have an interpreter signing for him. He was some big time college player in Georgia (stories were written about him, don't remember his name though)

LSams Mon Jan 12, 2009 03:47pm

Worked a district game involving The Florida School for the Deaf and Blind a few years back. Great kids, great coach. had one snafu where FSDB was making substitutions and someone hadn't left the floor. They've got six players on the floor (we are holding up play waiting for the sixth to get off) and they all have their back to the coach so he cannot get their attention. Finally we got them turned around to see their coach, to figure out who needed to sit down.

The classic moment of the game was when some parents from the opposing team (District game neutral site -- about 15 people in the stands, so you could hear everything) began to gripe about the officials. Keep in mind the deaf school is getting blown out at this point. The parents keep at it, how we're cheating their kids (who are winning by mercy rule), finally during a time-out one of my partners walks over to the parents and says, "what it's not enough that they're deaf, you think they should be blind too." They stopped after that.

slow whistle Mon Jan 12, 2009 03:59pm

I had the pleasure of working a game between a "normal" hs and a deaf school in WI years ago, and it was a great experience. I found that the deaf kids were far more in tune to what was going on than what I feared - I found myself often times OVER signaling, etc and they were like "whatever ref inbound the ball!" They also "listened" to the coaches and were much more disciplined than their non-hearing-impaired opponents...not a ton of basketball talent, but great kids!

Ref Ump Welsch Tue Jan 13, 2009 09:11am

I work some games in football and basketball for the Iowa School for the Deaf here in Council Bluffs, just across town from where I work. Being deaf myself, I make sure I have partners who are willing to be solid with their signals and mechanics when working their games. I usually find myself catching more grief from the deaf coaches (probably because I play against some of them in regional softball tournaments) than the hearing coaches.

One thing that tickles me, is I've had partners beg me to do the pre-game because I can sign. If it's the first time that partner works a game there with me, I will usually do the girls' pregame to allow my partner to become comfortable. Then, being a bit of a smarta** that I am, I'll tell my partner just before we go on the floor for the boys' pregame he's got it. They always have the deer in the headlights look, but I bail them out by having the coach from ISD interpret.

Chess Ref Tue Jan 13, 2009 09:50am

Are you totally deaf ? What kind of things do you need to do , say to compensate, for not hearing. A deaf ref,huh, never thought about it till I read your post.

Jeez I guess you don't have to worry about having rabbit ears and things like coaches chirping or do you ?

Ref Ump Welsch Tue Jan 13, 2009 01:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chess Ref (Post 567940)
Are you totally deaf ? What kind of things do you need to do , say to compensate, for not hearing. A deaf ref,huh, never thought about it till I read your post.

Jeez I guess you don't have to worry about having rabbit ears and things like coaches chirping or do you ?

I do have some residual hearing in my right ear, with the use of a hearing aid. The only things I have a problem with is most times I can't hear my partner's whistle and hearing the coaches' yelling for timeout, especially if they have a quiet voice or such.

I don't have rabbit ears, but I know when the coaches are chirping away at me. I teach non-verbal communication, so I know the body language and facial expressions when that happens. Some coaches in the area have grown acustomed to me, and know how to get my attention and know how to speak to me so I know what they're saying.

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Jan 14, 2009 01:46pm

Update: Did the Iowa School for the Deaf last night against a hearing team from Nebraska. Sometimes I wonder who the disabled ones are. It seems like the fans from the hearing school are the blind ones!


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