Timeout discrepancy

[BktBallRef]

Game is close, private school teams met for the conference tourney championship last year (we worked the game), then met in the state finals as well. Late in the game, table calls me over.

Visitor's book has the home coach using two 60 second TOs and THREE 30 second TOs. She has times documented for when the TOs were taken.

Home book has him using two 60 second TOs and two 30 second TOs. He does not have times documented.

I ask visiting scorer why she didn't call us over when the third 30 was used. "I did but you ignored me." I had no knowledge of her trying to beckon any of us over.

What would you do?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Game is close, private school teams met for the conference tourney championship last year (we worked the game), then met in the state finals as well. Late in the game, table calls me over.

Visitor's book has the home coach using two 60 second TOs and THREE 30 second TOs. She has times documented for when the TOs were taken.

Home book has him using two 60 second TOs and two 30 second TOs. He does not have times documented.

I ask visiting scorer why she didn't call us over when the third 30 was used. "I did but you ignored me." I had no knowledge of her trying to beckon any of us over.

What would you do?

Check the TOs for the visitors -- see if one TO that was supposed to be charged to V was mistakenly recorded against H in V's book.

See if any of the officials recalls the total number of TOs taken by each team.

Is there a "stats" guy / gal?

Go with the official book.

[Dan_ref]

What he said. I'll add if the stats guy is entering play by play into a computer at the table use that too.

[Kelvin green]

So my question is how do you get a THIRD 30 second time out?

Somewhere along the line it is from the other team or something goofy.... If it went to a third 30 someone should have noticed and made it a full?

It pays to know these things in your head...

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

It pays to know these things in your head...

I was gonna say something, but figured why rub it in?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

So my question is how do you get a THIRD 30 second time out?

Somewhere along the line it is from the other team or something goofy.... If it went to a third 30 someone should have noticed and made it a full?

It pays to know these things in your head...

The scorers agreed on the number of visitor's timeouts.

The visiting scorer never said "They don't have anymore 30's." So I have no idea where she came up with a third 30.

We went with the official book.

[RCBSports]

First off, the home book is suppose to the be official book, unless otherwise stated prior to the game. So really, whatever the home book has, goes. How you get a 3rd 30 sec timeout beats me. i normally keep track of times myself though. After each timeout I go to the table and ask how many and what type of timeout each time has.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by RCBSports

First off, the home book is suppose to the be official book, unless otherwise stated prior to the game. So really, whatever the home book has, goes.

While the home book is the official book, the visitor's book is there for a reason. If there's a discrepancy, you have to investigate and make decision. You can't just automatically take the home book as the truth without discussing the situation and trying to arrive at the correct resolution. That's why I posed the scenario.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by RCBSports

After each timeout I go to the table and ask how many and what type of timeout each time has.

Why? It doesn't matter. You only need to know when a team is out of time-outs.

With my crews, we have the U1 keep track of the home team's 30s and the U2 does the visitors, then we know when to stop asking the HC if he wants a full or 30.

Otherwise, I don't care how many TOs a team has. If they ask me for one when it is proper, I have to give it to them.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why? It doesn't matter. You only need to know when a team is out of time-outs.

With my crews, we have the U1 keep track of the home team's 30s and the U2 does the visitors, then we know when to stop asking the HC if he wants a full or 30.

Otherwise, I don't care how many TOs a team has. If they ask me for one when it is proper, I have to give it to them.

I want to know, but certainly not on every timeout. I will ask once a team has used a few and so I can be preventive and let an assistant know a team is out of timeouts.

But otherwise, what you said. If someone requests one at a legal time, it's honored. This isn't football.

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why? It doesn't matter. You only need to know when a team is out of time-outs.

With my crews, we have the U1 keep track of the home team's 30s and the U2 does the visitors, then we know when to stop asking the HC if he wants a full or 30.

Otherwise, I don't care how many TOs a team has. If they ask me for one when it is proper, I have to give it to them.

Nevada,

I like the tracking of the 30's. I'm going to try to inject into my next game/crew. It has to make the game run smoother.

Mulk

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I want to know, but certainly not on every timeout. I will ask once a team has used a few and so I can be preventive and let an assistant know a team is out of timeouts.

But otherwise, what you said. If someone requests one at a legal time, it's honored. This isn't football.

Don't worry, you will know. The scorer will inform you when a team is granted its final time-out and then you can notify the coach. That's one of the scorer's duties.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Don't worry, you will know. The scorer will inform you when a team is granted its final time-out and then you can notify the coach. That's one of the scorer's duties.

But if the scorer forgets.......

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

But if the scorer forgets.......

He probably won't unless he is too busy alerting the officials to which players have four fouls.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

He probably won't unless he is too busy alerting the officials to which players have four fouls.

Nothing like throwing gasoline on the fire.