Partner tosses coach in first minute of game!
 

I helped out a friend by taking an 8th grade girls elite (top competitive level) game at the last minute last night. My partner was someone new to me, but he called a very good game overall.

With only about 45 seconds gone in the game, I was waiting for a girl to retrieve the ball which had gone into the next court so we could have a throw-in. I was on the corner of the side line and the end line diagonally opposite the visitor's bench. I heard my partner blow his whistle and turned around to see him giving a T to the visiting coach and then making the "you're outta here" signal. The coach just stared, then picked up his stuff and walked out. I went over to my partner to get the skinny.

Apparently he heard the coach say very loudly to one of his players, "The next time she pushes you, punch her right in the mouth until she stops."

My partner said that qualified as flagrant unsportsmanlike conduct, since the coach was directing a player to physically assault another player.

I said, "ooooo kay" and just let it pass.

What do you guys think?

I think he did absolutely the right thing.

Wow! I don't have a problem with it....I guess you could argue that the coach was speaking hypothetically and didn't really mean it, but heck you never know!! The words themselves warrant the ejection IMO, I suppose it comes down to whether think he really meant it and whether you thought that his player really took him literally if you decide you don't want to toss him...

Going on a slight tangent, I would think you might have some liability issues here if you don't do something and the girl goes and does it and somebody decides to get litigious...in this case I wonder if just a T would hold up in court!

My opinion is a comment like that has no place in the game I officiate, especially at a younger level. I am not sure I would eject for a comment like that, but I would certainly "T" for it (it would depend on what I had for breakfast). I would support my partner if he/she decided to toss the coach.

Buh-bye. This is one of the few situations from early in my officiating career that I still regret not giving a T. Had a very similar situation where a coach made a similar comment and I simply said to the player, "That's bad advice." I should've just tossed him right there. :(

You cannot quote silence.

For this level I might not have done that, but I will not criticize anyone that took such action. Good for your partner.

Peace

I guess if he said it loud enough for an official to hear it. That probably means every girl on the bench heard it also, which means he just broke the rules of the coaches cunduct.

I agree with the call.

Well I must say I have never heard of anything remotely close to this, unbelievable. I certainly would see why someone would want a individual like this out of their game. By the letter of the law (sort of speak)I just can't find where the rules support a Flagrant Technical for his comments.

In a 8th grade game, why not. If its a varsity game I just don't think the rules support it. Whack him!!! Let him know why loud enough for the players to hear. Let the players know anything close to a punch being thrown would be ejection from this game and they would have to sit the next.

He can't be charged for fighting or leaving the bench during a fight. Which would be the only Flagrant Technical options. Fighting being defined in Rule 4-18

Art. 1 An attempt to strike, punch or kick an opponent with a fist, hands, arms, legs or feet regardless of whether contact is made.

Art.2 An attempt to instigate a fight by committing an unsporting act TOWARD an opponent that CAUSES AN OPPONENT TO RETALIATE BY FIGHTING.
IMO I think your only option here is to tag him with the following...

FED Rule 10-4 Bench Technicals Art 1 c. Using profane or inappropriate language or obscene gestures.

I think 4.19.4 has you covered

Art. 4... A flagrant foul may be a personal or technical foul of a violent or savage nature, or a technical noncontact foul which displays unacceptable conduct. It may or may not be intentional. If personal, it involves, but is not limited to violent contact such as: striking, kicking and kneeing. If technical, it involves dead-ball contact or noncontact at any time which is extreme or persistent, vulgar or abusive conduct. Fighting is a flagrant act.

This is certainly unacceptable and you could argue that it is extreme...fighting is a flagrant act, but not the only flagrant act...

Hmmm. I don't have my rule books here, but doesn't the definition of a flagrant technical include a comment about "extreme conduct"? I would certainly classify what this coach said as extreme and have no real issue with the partner tossing him...I would also have been fine with the partner just whacking him and telling him it better not happen again...

Mark, where was this team from? I ask because my oldest brother is coaching his daughter's 8th grade team (they live in Amity) and - unfortunately - this really sounds exactly like something he would tell my niece.:(

I see your point and maybe this would be the right argument. IMHO.. This is still penalized under Bench Technicals which doesn't have a provision for the flagrant "T" unless fighting is involved.

The rule specifically says, "fighting." It didn't say fighting or extreme act. I think we have to look under 4-19-5 d., Since the coach is a non player, and we are penalizing his actions.

Speaking as a parent, I would certainly hope someone would toss the guy, report him to the authorities and get him suspended from coaching. That kind of talk has no place in any work with youth of any kind. Even when a dad is telling his kid to stick up for him or her self, you don't do it by punching someone who bumps you. And it's never, never funny.

In this case, I don't care what the rule books say. I'm not reffing a game with a guy like that in the gym, if I know about it. Either he goes, or I go. Period.

Nope, it wasn't him. This was a Portland area team. BTW - if this had happened in my local kids rec league, this guy would have been suspended for life - or longer!

For this level you might not have done that?! If your going to toss someone for this this is exactly the level you do it at. If you don't the players may think that that sort of thing is acceptable.

Whew, glad to hear it. Now I don't have to call Mom and Dad!!:D

I would have talked to the coach before giving him the hook. I agree that we can't have those type of instructions being issued by a coach. I think he could have given a direct T and gotten out of it just fine too. Either way, I am sure this coach learned a lesson.

If nothing else, penalize this with a flagrant using 2-3-1.

Sure the rules support the official's actions in the OP, whether it is an 8th grade game, H.S. varisty game, or a Div. I game. This kind of conduct should never (my apologies to the late J. Dallas Shirley; my 2nd apology of the day to J. Dallas) be condoned. If anybody complained I would back my partner up all the way to hell and back.

MTD, Sr.

No matter what I would back my partner up!!!

NEVER, NEVER leave your WINGMAN!!!!

I can see in a 8th grade game, MAYBE in a Varsity game, but not @ all in any level NCAA game. ( I don't think this would ever happen @ the High school Varsity or NCAA levels anyway.)

If I eject a coach for a comment they made to a player I'm losing games. It's not nothing @ the DI level to hear coaches dropping the "F" bomb to their players. (Could be defined as vulgar language)

As I said I don't have a problem with tossing this 8th grade coach. Hopefully the officials turned him in and he's done coaching. My part in this discussion was to make sure we were supported in the rule book. Maybe it could be maybe it isn't.

IMO I'm not ejecting a coach for the comment @ the Varsity or NCAA level. I'm "WHACKING," making sure everyone understands why, talking to my partners & playing on.

I agree.

Unfortunately, there's no one to whom to "turn him in". All these teams are independent and just contract for their games. I know a lot of the parents heard him, so maybe they'll do something about it. Probably not, though. :(

I reminded my partner to report it to our assignor, but all he can do is maybe give a heads up to guys who will have this team in the future. I doubt I'll get them again because he usually assigns me to boys games. What was weird was that I knew lots of parents and kids from the home team, which is based in my town. In fact, the scorekeeper is also the treasurer of our rec league. She has another kid who plays in that organization. She was shocked when she found out what happened and said if her daughter was the target and got punched, she not only would be on the phone to her lawyer, but her husband, who was in the stands, would make a soprano out of that coach. Cool. That I'd like to see.

OH? Ever heard of what happened to John Chaney at Temple when he sent a player out to get another player?

Grow some balls and take care of bidness. That's my opinion.

Another parent yelled the same thing to his son playing against mine last weekend in a third grade game...great role models.

So what did you do? I know what I would have done. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...flamingmad.gif

Please don't tell us you just let it pass.

Unfortunately, I did not hear it during the game. I must've been too busy coaching. The story was relayed to me long after the game was over. Apparently, this started some words amongst the other parents though.

I forgot about this thanks for the friendly reminder...OH, and I appreciate the. "Grow some balls," statement. That was a very intelligent adult thing to write (IMO)!!!

Go back and read my posts. I never said to not take care of "bidness" (business). If fact I would still be "whacking" this coach for the comment just not tossing. Again I'm not assessing a Flagrant T for a comment to a player that requires ejection. IMHO Bench Technical is what would be allowed by rule for a comment that doesn't instigate a fight or initiate a fight!!! ( Thats as far as my business degree will allow me to go!!!)

Different story if the ball is in play and coach says, punch him, player punches him. Flagrant personnel on player & Flagrant T on the coach. (Again because the action happened & the coach initiated it, a fight.)

The reason Chaney got suspended was due the severity of the fouls of Ingram, and that Chaney admitted to telling him to do what he did in his press conference!!!

If Ingram never committed the fouls then there would've been no suspension the mere fact he said to do it doesn't become a problem unless he does it. The bench "T" lets him and his players know you heard it and its not going to happen. Assess the Bench "T", talk to your partners, get it in the book and play on.

The calling of the Bench Technical will require a call to your supervisor. Make the call when you leave and explain what happened. The supervisor would then take it up with the conference and they would take it from there. (Taking care of BIDNESS!!!)

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That was, and is, my opinion. Like it or not.

Being that the coach left without a peep, he meant it in the harshest way and he knew it.

Gimlet:

I don't know if you have ever officiated college ball (and I have and still do) but for the last couple of years the NCAA said on more than one occassion that profanity by coaches in huddles is not acceptable because of television microphones. I will grant you hell will freeze over before a Div. I coach would make that statement that was quoted in the OP, but I personally know some Div. I and II supervisors both, retired and currently supervising, I can assure you if a college head coach said what he said in the OP, and he got tossed, these supervisors would back up the officials. As I said in my earlier post, this kind of conduct should not ever be tolerated and the coach does need to be tossed.

Furthermore I know won Div. I supervisor who take games away from officials who do NOT whack a coach and I believe that this supervisor would have tossed the coach himself if his game official didn't toss him. And supervisor that would take games away from one of officials for tossing a coach in this situation doesn't deserve to be a supervisor and I hope that his officials would revolt against him.

MTD, Sr.

Well, you COULD have said, "Be the squirrel.":cool:

Well I think we can agree that this coach would need to be penalized. We will just have to agree to dis agree on how to penalize the comment.

Would my Supervisor ( I do work college basketball) be upset with me if I gave a Bench Technical in reference to the OP? No! In fact I agree that if I didn't I could get reprimanded for not doing it. Would my Supervisor dis agree with a Flagrant "T" on a comment to a player like the OP...maybe, maybe not. Either way I'm still penalizing the coach and turning it over to the supervisor.

I know for sure with the Bench Technical I'm covered by the rules. The Flagrant "T" I'm not so sure. If I'm tossing player/coach I'm making damn sure that I'm rule supported. This was the main reason for my reference to losing games by kicking a rule administration. (Rule administration being extremely important @ the NCAA level) Has nothing to do if the supervisor would back me or not.

BTW...for the last couple of years the NCAA said on more than one occasion that profanity by coaches in huddles is not acceptable because of television microphones.

When has the NCAA said this? Was it in a bulletin, regional clinic, or the rule book? I haven't seen the bulletin, I have been to the last few regional clinics& I can't find the reference in the rule book. :confused:

I can however see game management reminding the teams if it is a TV game. Come to think of it, you really don't see camera's inside the huddle to often, primarily because they are going to commercial to pay the bills. In fact most feeds are on a delay which helps prevent such things.

Let me reemphasize that this IMHO!!!! :D

Perhaps I am naive, or have a warped sense of things, but I tend to think that if I had heard a coach make the remark in the OP, the extreme nature of the remark would have caused me to believe that it was certainly not meant to be taken literally. Was the push that he refers to called a foul? If not, I would have thought that what he said was for the officials benefit. Anyhow, I think players at pretty much any level would know that they were not really supposed to punch an opponent in the mouth. I think that it might be more potentially dangerous if a coach was heard to instruct a player to "Use your elbows! That will keep him off of you when he starts that pushing again?" A T in this situation? I have no problem with that. Flagrant? I say probably not.

I would think that if an 8th grade girl had this yelled at her by her coach she most definitely would take it seriously. In fact, the younger the kid, the more likely they would take it just the way the coach said it.

Did anything notable happen after the guy got tossed? Did anybody punch anybody, or do anything unusually rough?

Gimlet:

I am a bald old geezer who has been officiating boys'/girls' H.S. for 37 years, women's college for 34 years, and men's college for 15 years; that means I was officiating H.S. and college basketball before you were even a gleam in your father's eye and I am a generation of officials that believe that has not succumb to the philosophy of chest thumping, in your face, get out of my house type of sportsmanship that has become the norm in sports today. The huddle conduct that I mentioned was addressed in a bulletin a number of years ago. It seems that the presidents of NCAA Div. I schools really "care" about how their school are perceived by the public. Div. I college coaches are extremely well compensated professionals and they should conduct themselves accordingly, and telling a player to "beat the hell" out of an opposing player is not appropriate conduct of an extremely well compensated professional to conduct himself.

Personally, I cannot believe a Div. I coach would ever make such a comment within earshot of an official. But if he did he should be held to the same high standard that a 7th grade coach: ejection. I do not believe this a “lets agree to disagree” discussion. As long as we take the position that boys will be boys, then game conduct will only get worse. If you are afraid that you will lose college games if you toss a college coach, then get out of the game. Any supervisor that would not support you is not worth working for because he will sell you done the river any chance he gets because he has no scruples.

MTD, Sr.

Certainly I agree with you that I doubt we would ever hear such a statement now.

I work DI (W's) and have ran this play by half dozen of my counterparts & a couple of my counterparts that work DI (M's)They all agreed that you would have to do something, but a Flagrant "T" would never be an option unless, "We have a live ball, coach tells his player to hit another player." If he/she does, player & coach is gone, Flagrant "T."

I worked a DI game this afternoon where Coach calls a T/O and proceeds to ask his team what the F*** are you doing? That's nothing and will never be nothing. If there was a bulletin that covered this, I haven't seen it or heard about it. One thing is for sure that it has been forgotten.

I can see why it would seem that the right thing to do is to toss the coach. I'm just saying that I (IMHO) don't think that action would be supported by the rules. If I administer a rule wrong then I'm losing games...PERIOD!! As I should! I would absolutely have no problem sending a coach if the coach happened to do something that the rules say he/she should be ejected.

You have been around a lot longer then I have and I believe you would handle this just the way you said. Maybe thats "old school" maybe its not. I'm going to close by saying if you can do it and get by with it, GREAT!!! Since I'm not from the "old school," I'm @ most going with a Direct "T" on the coach..maybe...depending on the context of his/her statement.

This has nothing to do with the supervisor backing me or not. If I kick a rule , I kicked the rule not the supervisor. The supervisor can't protect me if I kicked a rule or in this case toss a coach for a comment that he/she made to HIS/HER player . If you kick a rule @ the DI level you WILL LOSE GAMES!!!

That just might be the most ridiculous reasoning that I have ever read on this forum. You and your "counterparts" are saying it's a flagrant technical foul to commit a certain act at <b>CERTAIN</b> times, but it's <b>NOT</b> a flagrant technical foul to commit the exact <b>SAME</b> act at <b>ALL</b> times. Are you and your "counterparts" serious?

You and your "counterparts" are just looking for excuses <b>NOT</b> to call the flagrant technical foul imo. And you're all doing a great job finding those excuses too. That's very telling, also imo.

agree 100%...i think I'm turning into an official MTD fanboy...somebody stop me

Padgett has some meds that might help with that.

Amen, brother. :)

You can order them by using my toll-free number, 800.YOU'RE.OUTTAHERE

Well JR since you obviously want to dis agree on everything I say find me the rule in the NCAA RB that would allow you to toss this coach for a comment to his player that didn't initiate a fight.

If you would actually take the time to comprehend what I wrote then you would understand what I said. The difference in penalizing the comment is if the player actually does punch a kid. If during a T/O you hear the coach make the comment then how can you by rule toss him if the player hasn't done anything that would be defined as a fight. ( AGAIN BY RULE)

In this case I'm not saying that you play on as if nothing happened. You, depending on the context of the statement, would address what was said to the coach and player. Regardless of what you do your going to make sure that your partners know what is going on. If you give the Bench "T" then that will also require a phone call to your supervisor.

Its a completely different story if the ball was live, coach tells his player to hit another player." If he/she does, player & coach is gone, Flagrant "T." This is penalized as fighting since the coach initiated the fight and the player hit the kid.

1) NCAA rule 4-29-3(f)2--<i>"A flagrant non-contact technical foul is an infraction that involves extreme, sometimes persistent, vulgar, abusive contact."</i> Also note that NCAA rule 10-4-1 is a catch-all clause. It states <i>"committing an unsporting act, including but not limited to the following:"</i> Again, note the "not limited to." Are you really trying to say that bench technicals during a dead ball can't be flagrant in nature? Also, you and your D1 counterparts may be surprised to find that 4-29-3(f) is labeled <i>"Flagrant technical foul-<b>DEAD BALL</b>."</i> Unsporting action by a coach that is deemed flagrant can be called at any time during an official's jurisdiction. Sooooooo, yes, I sureashell do disagree with you on this one.

Again, trying to say that the exact same act can be flagrant in nature during a live ball but not during a dead ball is completely ridiculous.

And let me give you another little piece of advice. Stating that numerous, un-named and anonymous D1 officials agree with you doesn't really advance the veracity of your claims. You can try to big-time it, but that won't work unless people actually believe you. Or agree with you. And stating that you're a D1 Womens official doesn't really impress me either, if that was your intent. Let your own arguments do your talking unless you're willing to name sources that can be checked. Your sources can be just as wrong as you.

Round and round we go where we stop nobody knows!!! First let me say that I wasn't "BIG TIMING," anybody. My statement was to MTD who asked and also said that @ the DI level there has been some bulletins addressing profanity in team huddles.

I really don't care if you believe who/if I talked to anybody else. I did for the simple reason to see what other officials both @ the DI and lower levels thought. I'm not going to give you names of other officials on a national forum, so that you can check out the validity of the sources. They weren't intended to be sources rather just other officials with an opinion.

If you want to try and label the coaches comment that he made to his player that didn't result in any action, "extreme , sometimes persistent,vulgar, abusive conduct," then good luck with that!!!

Rule 10-4-1 "......but not limited to..." Penalty DIRECT TECHNICAL FOUL!!! Its one or the other. If its going to be a Bench Flagrant then that falls under Art. 8 & 9. (You just clarified why this would be a Bench T and not a Flagrant)

The comment to his player is Unsportsmanlike..I agree!!! Always have!!! If the player doesn't act on the comment then it's nothing more the a Bench T.

If the ball is live or dead for that matter and he tells his player to punch and the player Punch's, different story. The difference in the two comments is that one was a comment without any action (unsporting) and the other was a comment with action (Flagrant personnel or technical), which would be defined as fighting.... One happened while the ball is live Flagrant personnel, while the ball is dead Flagrant T.

4-26-4 " When during a confrontation, an individual uses unsportsmanlike acts or comments which, in the opinion of the official, provoke the other individual to retaliate by fighting, it shall be fighting..."

Coaches comments provoked the kid to fight so then both the coach and the player would be ejected.

If its just a unsporting comment then it can't be flagrant unless it instigates a fight. Its just simply penalized under Rule 10-4-1 "Committing a unsportsmanlike act..."

To toss the coach with a Flagrant T on just the comment and justifying it with Rule 4-29-3f is a stretch maybe/maybe not. However the Bench T under Rule 10-4-1 is right on and can't be argued, it was unsportsmanlike!!!

Well JR we both know that we aren't going to agree on this. I'm OK with that. If it happens to you or me, and I hope it doesn't for both our sakes, then you handle your way and I will handle it mine. Thats my opinion & I'm sticking to it! :D

You don't think that a comment from an 8th grade girls coach telling a player to punch another player is "extreme conduct"? :confused: I guess you've never worked this level.

And - who said this level uses NCAA rules anyway? In my entire career (going back to the Naismith days) I can't think of a rec official at that level who wouldn't consider that comment "extreme".

Not only should a coach who says that be ejected, he should be tarred and feathered, drawn and quartered then locked in a closet and forced to listen to Barry Manilow at FULL VOLUME for 24 hours!!!

Somewhere along this discussion we got to talking about what we would do if this was @ the collegiate level.

I think you ought to submit the Barry Manilow Penalty to the FED for a rule change!!!:D

I tried, but they said it violated the U.S. Constitution. They claimed it qualified as cruel and unusual punishment. ;)

I talked to officials at the D1 and lower levels too. They all thought that you and your counterparts were full of sh!t.:)

I guess we'll just have to disagree.

Maybe they could choose between Barry & Perry Como.

Oh, coach, you came and you gave without taking, but I sent you away!

Please, I just ate. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...mages/puke.gif

GimLet:

In your post #46, you stated that comments by a coach can be unsportsmanlike but cannot be flagrant unless it causes a player to instigate a fight. Therefore if the coach stands in the coaching box and says to his bench personnel in a voice load enough for you that one of your partners is: "a f**king a**hole and I wish one of my players would punch his lights out." That, my young friend, is definately a flagrant techincal foul. Remember if a coach makes comments to bench personnel load enough for the game officials to hear him, he isn't talking to his bench personnel, he is talking to the game officials.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. I am about to make what some people would describe as politically incorrect. BUT, because of the following:

1) In 1974 I was the first male to officiate women's college basketball (both Div. I and JUCO) in the state of Florida and one of the first in the US southeast.

2) I still have friends who officiate Div. I women's BB (including one who has officiated in the Olympics and others that have officiated the Div. I title game and in the WNBA.

I feel qualified to make the statements I am about to make.

I have always been loyal to the women's game even when I was offered the chance to officiate men's Div. III games over 20 yrs ago. But today if given the choice between officiate a women's Div. I game and officaiting a men's Div. III jr. varsity game, I will take the men's game everytime (but the game fee of the women's game would make me think once about taking it, LOL). I believe that the people running the women's side of college basketball do not have a clue about anything especially rules and officiating, and it is reflected in some of the young officials (both male and female) who are buy into their nonsense.

Good point!!! Let me rephrase..its either unsportsmanlike..Bench "T" or I can see where this comment, if your 100% sure that its directed @ your partner loud enough for everyone to hear, would be abusive & VULGAR ....Flagrant T ejection.

You've been around officiating for a long while and that within in itself deserves our respect. However I also understand that the game has changed quite a bit, both on the Women's & Men's side.

I like your reference to the money. I worked both Women's & Men's until I was lucky enough to make it into the DI Women's ranks. I by far have a lot to learn and hope that I never stop looking for ways to improve, but I personally would work a Women's DI game over any DIII Men's game.

I worked a really good DII Women's game the other night where we didn't have to call a foul until 6:30 to go in the first half, # 15 in the country playing a team that was undefeated in conference play. GREAT GAME!!!!The play on the women's side is a lot better now then it has ever been. The play on the Men's side is good but so is the play on the Women's side. Heck, we all have those games where the play is terrible but in no way shape or form is todays Women's play bad everywhere.

We have gotten a lot better in this area over the last several years with Mary Strukoff taking over and the advent of EOfficials.com. The NCAA W are really starting to use technology to improve officials on rules and play calling. There is a tremendous amount of attention focused on officials for the officials to improve in the two a aforementioned area's along with administration , communication, and physical fitness.

We are now able to download films on-line from several conferences. Some conferences are required to have a copy of the game ready for post game break down within so minutes after the game is over. I'm sure this is the same on the Men's side. To say that they don't have a clue just isn't correct.

Its definitely two different games. There are just as many QUALITY officials on the Women's side as there are on the Men's side. They are proficient in their game respectively.

Quality of play has nothing to due with why I would choose a men's college Div. III jr. varsity game over a women's college Div. I game. I just find some females, both officials and coaches, absolutely clueless about the history of women's college basketball. Too many female officials, have no clue as to what officiating was like in the early days of the game. Not all females in the game are like this, but I find that some of the ones who have acquired positions of importance just don't get it and their philosphies are influencig the newer officials both male and female that are just not good for the game in my humble opinion.

MTD, Sr.

Gimlet, I'm not a D1 ref, and I never will be. Probably won't ever do college of any level. But I like to read these kinds of discussion relating to the different levels, and try to understand the mindset behind the thinking. I understand your argument that at your level, this might be just a T without the ejection (not saying I agree or disagree, just understanding).

The part I'm confused about is the part about the player punching someone. If the coach yells to a player on the floor that she should punch someone, and before the whistle is even blown there's a punch, then, yea, I see that being an ejection.

But in the OP, the coach told the girl to punch her opponent the next time the girl got bumped. Well, at your level now, say you hear that comment and just hand out the T. Now, if the player waited until she got bumped to actually act on the incitement, do you eject the coach retroactively, so to speak? I"m confused how that would work in real life.

Well I guess it all depends on the space and time between the "T" and the player punching. If Its right after the "T" then sure toss the coach for instigating a fight!

By assessing the "T", verbalizing why to the coach sends the right message to the players. Hopefully a player wouldn't go ahead and punch another. Really I'm hoping no one ever has to ever deal with this in their game!! Again this IMHO and how I interpret and enforce the rules.

Juulie - I just got a call from a college A.D. to work a game and I need a partner. Are you up for it? It's a big rivalry game between Solid State and Whatsamatta U.

Bullwinkle is the A.D. (Antler Director). The game is in Pottsylvania. Phil Knight said we could use one of his jets.

BTW - did you take my meds? :o

Phil Knight was a gang leader in West Side Story?

As opposed to many of the younger officials and coaches on the men's side who do understand all of this???? :mad: Sorry, but that's a load of crap, imo.

Whatsamatta U!! That's my alma mater. And its school motto: Howz yuh doin? :D

MTD, Sr.

Which button on a phone's keypad is used for the apostrophe? ;)

You have to get the new phones with the qwerty keyboards.

Maybe that's why I don't get any calls. :(

Yeah, the other gang leader was Jerry Tarkanian. ;)

The one from Frostbite Falls?

I read through this several times morning, and couldn't make heads or tails of it. So I gave it a pass, and came back to it this evening. Still have no clue what the heck you're saying. You don't do women's ball because some females are clueless about the history of women's college basketball???? Huh?? How does that make you not want to work those games? I guess I'm one of the clueless???

Frostbite Falls ??
 

You mean the hometown of Rocket J. Squirrel ???

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