When does the count end?
 

When does a 5 second and 10 second count end?

1. At the release of the pass by the passer

or

2. When the pass is legally touched on an inbounds pass or touched in the frontcourt

For an inbounds pass, the 5 second count ends on the release by the inbounder.

For a pass from backcourt to frontcourt, the 10 second count ends when the ball strikes something with frontcourt status, thus giving the ball frontcourt status (or the ball goes oob). The 10 second count ends when the ball achieves frontcourt status either by pass or by the dibbler getting both feet and the ball in the frontcourt.

Edited: Also the 10 second count begins when the ball is controled in backcourt. The clock should be started (chopped) when the ball is touched legally inbounds.

Did you mean the Diebler? :D

Vanna can I buy and "R"?

Dribbler! (with apologies to the famous Jon Diebler). ;)

Do you also want to buy an "R"? Nyork, nyork, nyork. :D

Hey - notice all the smiley faces.

Maybe I should just give up on this thread. :p

Do you mean... oh wait - you spelled everything correctly. Take a cookie out of petty cash. :D

Again - note all the smiley faces. We're all just fiends here, er, I mean friends.

3. When my arm stops swinging.

The actual answer is both.

During a throwin, it's 1.
During a backcourt count, it's 2.

Just curious how many have called the 10-second violation when the ball is in the air over the frontcourt, but has not yet attained FC status.

I believe Pennsylvania just changed this rule this year. The count now ends when the ball is touched.

1) At the end of 5 seconds.

2) At the end of 10 seconds.


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Without reading ahead...
 

A 5-second count on inbounds play ends when the ball leaves the passers hands in the direction of the court.

A 10-second count in the back court ends when the ball is touched by a player in the front-court.

Oh? What if the ball hits <b>in</b> the frontcourt <b>before</b> it is touched by a player in the frontcourt?

Methinks you might want to sneak a peek at case book play 9.8SitB.

Or alternatively, maybe you can call it using advantage/disadvantage.:)

Old IAABO Refresher Exam Question
 

I seem to remember an IAABO Refresher Exam question, from about ten or fifteen years ago, that had a very unusual question. Please don't make me look back at all my old exams to find the correct wording of the question, and answer, but I went something like this.

During a designated spot throwin in the back court by A-1, the short pass just bounces on the court, in the backcourt, untouched by anyone for ...... I don't remember the rest of the question, but I remember that the question was silly because, in a real game, about nine players would be trying to get their hands on the ball as soon as possible. The Exam came after the NFHS changed from the five second count ending on the catch of the throwin, to the release of the throwin.

Do any IAABO members remember this question, its wording, or the given answer?

By the rules, in a hypothetical situation, what happens if nobody wants to pick up that ball. The thrower hasn't violated because the ball has been released in less than five seconds. The clock hasn't started, because it hasn't been touched inbounds. A ten second count hasn't started because there is no team control established. Hypothetically, by NFHS rules, how long can that ball stay there on the court?

Double Ts for "allowing the game to turn into an actionless contest." Go to POI (readminster the throw-in). If it happens again, terminate the game and call the assinger / conference / state, etc.

I have not been instructed that this is the case, neither is there an exception on the PIAA website as you have indicated above. So, I do NOT believe PA changed the rule this year, nor did the NFHS. I would double check your sources.

He's just confused by the rule change that states that a throw-in now ends when legally touched. Of course, that has nothing to do with the five-second count. He's probably a newer official.

http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...images/bye.gif

To do otherwise is to screw the defensive team.

Nevada,

I'm laughing a little bit to myself here. If you read my actual words anywhere near as clearly as you read the rules, you would see that I do not advocate any position on this other than your own. Nor did I state that I had done otherwise. I merely asked how many had actually made this call, what with all the talk around here about being just a "little" slow with 10 second counts, etc.

Save the smacking-his-head emoticon for when I've actually said something contrary to what you believe.

Inigo, reread Nevada's post. He didn't accuse you of anything. Looks to me like his emoticon is raising his hand, not smacking his head.

FWIW, I've made the call.

You misunderstand my post.
I never state or implied that you did anything of the sort. I merely stated a fact that if an official fails to properly enforce the rule, then the defense is getting screwed.

Also, if you look more closely at the emoticon that I used, you will see that it is merely a little guy waving, not a "smacking-his-head" shot towards you. In fact, it was meant to represent ME raising my hand to indicate that I am someone who has done as you asked.

PS This is the head smack http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...mages/slap.gif

Or this one http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...mages/doh2.gif

duly noted :)

I've seen this in a game before. The thrower rolled the ball right down the middle of the court and the person that it was being passed to walked with the ball all the way to half court before he picked it up. The thrower went sprinting down the court to get into position. I was trail on that play and even if I had been keeping a backcourt count they would have been fine.

That is a good point though about the five second count ending but when does then 10 count start?

When the ball is controlled in the backcourt.

But say the ball stops, how long do you wait for them to establish possession? What if the player just stands there and waits for the coach to finish yelling out instructions?

Then you just wait until the ball is possessed. Also, see post #15:

But this is only if neither team is going to grab the ball. If A is awaiting instructions and B is playing a packed in defense and waiting for A to move, you have to judge whether A is intentionally allowing the game to develop into an actionless contest.

In other words, it will probably never happen to you.

IAABO Old Timers Please Help !!!!
 

Yesterday I spent about an hour perusing IAABO Exams, and IAABO Refresher Exams, from the past 28 years, without finding this question. Do any of you veteran IAABO members remember this question? Can anybody locate the question? I do remember that this was the most ridiculous question to ever appear on an IAABO exam of any type.

Let's hope not!!! :eek:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/SHOWBIZ.../possessed.jpg

me, too.

Put more accurately, when a ball under team control enters the backcourt.

Think of A1 in the frontcourt making a pass to A2, but the pass is deflected into the backcourt by B1. The 10 second count should start as soon as the ball strikes the floor in the backcourt.

just had this last night...rule4-45-2...legally touched as per nfhs website basketvall rule changes...

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misquoted rule... rule is 4-42-5....

did some more research...4-42-4...states count end on release of ball