I don't get it

[kblehman]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

It's excuse making.

I had a coach in a youth game chirping, during a TO he started going and pointed at the score board. Now I could have whacked him but I went with a stern and loud enough for more than just the 2 of us to hear, "Coach we have NOTHING to do with that score, now stop looking for excuses and coach your team."

It worked too, they closed the gap and all we heard from him the rest of the game was him instructing his team.

Wow, that's excellent. I gotta remember that one. Thanks, BZ.

Do coaches intentionally push an official to see how much he can get away with? Do they simply not respect an official until the official stands up to him? Or do they really think constant badgering will actually help? Because all it does for me is distract me and make it harder for me to concentrate.

[Coltdoggs]

Originally Posted by kblehman

Wow, that's excellent. I gotta remember that one. Thanks, BZ.

Do coaches intentionally push an official to see how much he can get away with? Do they simply not respect an official until the official stands up to him? Or do they really think constant badgering will actually help? Because all it does for me is distract me and make it harder for me to concentrate.

If that's the case, then you need to say something/issue warning and T the next time they "distract" you...Players play, coaches coach, refs ref....at least it's supposed to be that way!

[kblehman]

Originally Posted by kblehman
[D]o they really think constant badgering will actually help? Because all it does for me is distract me and make it harder for me to concentrate.

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

If that's the case, then you need to say something/issue warning and T the next time they "distract" you...Players play, coaches coach, refs ref....at least it's supposed to be that way!

Is that the line in the sand for most officials--when the coach's comments or badgering becomes a distraction?

I have a pretty long fuse (no T's in 60+ games) so I mostly ignore it. However, there have been a few times when it became a distraction and then I myself start second-guessing my own calls, and that's when I worry about the snowball effect. Part of my hesitation is because I'm still a rookie, so when a coach questions a call I sometimes wonder if he's right. Just trying to learn where the boundaries are.

On a similar note, I've done a number of JV games where the coach is fine, but the varsity coach who is sitting on the bench continues to yap and make generic comments. ("It's barn-ball out there," "if they're not gonna call it you just have to play through it," "he's all over him," etc.) Is it best to tell the JV coach to shut him up? Because I'd rather not talk to anyone other than the coach of the team that's playing. Advice on how far to let it go and how to address a bench yapper?

[archangel]

Originally Posted by kblehman

Originally Posted by kblehman
[D]
On a similar note, I've done a number of JV games where the coach is fine, but the varsity coach who is sitting on the bench continues to yap and make generic comments. ("It's barn-ball out there," "if they're not gonna call it you just have to play through it," "he's all over him," etc.)

Those comments are "nothing". Ignore and move on. Dont have rabbit ears.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by archangel

Those comments are "nothing". Ignore and move on. Dont have rabbit ears.....

Rabbit ears? Good grief. I disagree.

Let the coach know that while you're willing to talk to him when appropriate, you're not going to listen to his assistant coach all game.

"If they're not gonna call it, you're gonna have to play through it." That's okay, IMO, as long as it's not continuous. The others, though, should be addressed early.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by archangel

Those comments are "nothing". Ignore and move on. Dont have rabbit ears.....

Or looking at it from a different point of view, you could grow a crop and have the balls to take care of bidness.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Or looking at it from a different point of view, you could grow a crop and have the balls to take care of bidness.

I had a varsity girls coach down 35 want a travel right in front of him Tuesday night. He actually said, "C'mon, we're down 35 points." I was standing right there, smiled, and said, "Tied or down 35, that's not a travel." He told me he'd send me the video, and I told him to make it VHS and smiled in his general direction.

I know what you're thinking -- 25 years ago I *might* have had Beta. Truth is, I don't have any VHS players anymore and certainly don't want to watch *that* game again.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

He told me he'd send me the video.....

I wish I had a nickel for every time that I've heard "It better be in the films." And another nickel for every time that I heard absolutely nothing later on about it not being in the films.

Funny how that works(in both football and basketball).

[Junker]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I had a varsity girls coach down 35 want a travel right in front of him Tuesday night. He actually said, "C'mon, we're down 35 points." I was standing right there, smiled, and said, "Tied or down 35, that's not a travel." He told me he'd send me the video, and I told him to make it VHS and smiled in his general direction.

I know what you're thinking -- 25 years ago I *might* have had Beta. Truth is, I don't have any VHS players anymore and certainly don't want to watch *that* game again.

I'd never do this in a varsity game but....about 5 or 6 years ago I was working a weekend tourney (I have no idea what grade level it was). I had a routine oob call on the baseline. One of the fans who had been a bit of a pain and was taking things way too seriously starts yelling, "You got that one wrong! I have it on tape!" as he was filming the game. I nicely told him, "Feel free to go home and watch it right now." He just looked at me like he couldn't believe I said it. We didn't hear from him anymore at least.

[Nevadaref]

Quote:

Originally Posted by kblehman

On a similar note, I've done a number of JV games where the coach is fine, but the varsity coach who is sitting on the bench continues to yap and make generic comments. ("It's barn-ball out there," "if they're not gonna call it you just have to play through it," "he's all over him," etc.)

Originally Posted by archangel

Those comments are "nothing". Ignore and move on. Dont have rabbit ears.....

Nope, those are unsporting comments and definitely deserve a T. Those comments coming from an adult in a youth environment are unacceptable. Youth sports is about teaching the kids proper behavior, not just how to play the game. If you refuse to T for this, then please stop officiating youth games and work only adult leagues.

Also I've said it before and will say it again, the only officials who use the words "rabbit ears" are the ones who are too weak-willed to properly assess unsporting technical fouls.

[kblehman]

Originally Posted by kblehman

On a similar note, I've done a number of JV games where the coach is fine, but the varsity coach who is sitting on the bench continues to yap and make generic comments. ("It's barn-ball out there," "if they're not gonna call it you just have to play through it," "he's all over him," etc.)

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Nope, those are unsporting comments and definitely deserve a T. Those comments coming from an adult in a youth environment are unacceptable. Youth sports is about teaching the kids proper behavior, not just how to play the game. If you refuse to T for this, then please stop officiating youth games and work only adult leagues.

I understand what you're saying. I think if I had it to do over again I'd have warned the coach that I'd heard enough from the guy on the bench. Being a rookie, it's sometimes difficult for me to fully understand that I'm the one in charge. I wish I could've worked with a firm but diplomatic veteran so I could learn by how he interacted with coaches. But, sadly, our association doesn't really have that sort of mentoring plan.

On a related note, one of the bench comment things I really hate is when, after constantly chirping about every non-call, they sarcastically call out, "thank you" when I call a foul in their favor. That really ticks me off.

[archangel]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

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Nope, those are unsporting comments and definitely deserve a T. Those comments coming from an adult in a youth environment are unacceptable. Youth sports is about teaching the kids proper behavior, not just how to play the game. If you refuse to T for this, then please stop officiating youth games and work only adult leagues.

Also I've said it before and will say it again, the only officials who use the words "rabbit ears" are the ones who are too weak-willed to properly assess unsporting technical fouls.

Wow !! Considering the responses from Jurrasic and Nevada, who I respect as knowledgable officials (vs my 1.5 years of experience), I will change my opinion on the OP and strive to better my game management skills regarding coaches comments.....

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by archangel

Wow !! Considering the responses from Jurrasic and Nevada, who I respect as knowledgable officials (vs my 1.5 years of experience), I will change my opinion on the OP and strive to better my game management skills regarding coaches comments.....

There are times when you can ignore comments and times when you need to deal with them...just understand that one of our responsibilities as an official is to enforce the bench decorum/sportsmanship rules - regardless of the level of ball.

[Junker]

Originally Posted by archangel

Wow !! Considering the responses from Jurrasic and Nevada, who I respect as knowledgable officials (vs my 1.5 years of experience), I will change my opinion on the OP and strive to better my game management skills regarding coaches comments.....

Yup, nip it in the bud. To a certain extent, the lower the level of basketball, the less I'm going to listen to from coaches and players. I think many here would say the same.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by kblehman

Is that the line in the sand for most officials--when the coach's comments or badgering becomes a distraction?

I absolutely will not let a coach distract me from the game. If he/she is distracting you, either warn them (and be prepared to whack after that) or whack them.

Originally Posted by kblehman

On a similar note, I've done a number of JV games where the coach is fine, but the varsity coach who is sitting on the bench continues to yap and make generic comments. ("It's barn-ball out there," "if they're not gonna call it you just have to play through it," "he's all over him," etc.) Is it best to tell the JV coach to shut him up? Because I'd rather not talk to anyone other than the coach of the team that's playing. Advice on how far to let it go and how to address a bench yapper?

I'm more patient on this than a lot of guys on here, I know, but I usually wait for a dead ball or timeout and quietly inform the JV head coach that I'd appreciate his helping with the V coach's chirping, as it will eventually earn the JV coach a seatbelt. Usually seems to work.