I don't get it

[blindzebra]

It's excuse making.

I had a coach in a youth game chirping, during a TO he started going and pointed at the score board. Now I could have whacked him but I went with a stern and loud enough for more than just the 2 of us to hear, "Coach we have NOTHING to do with that score, now stop looking for excuses and coach your team."

It worked too, they closed the gap and all we heard from him the rest of the game was him instructing his team.

[Coltdoggs]

I had a 7th grade coach earlier this year after me about calls, I gave him warning/heard enough/stop sign first and he kept on about the calls on the next trip down the floor. T'd him, told him he would have to sit the rest of the game...he did.

His team was losing going into the half by about 12...

They came out in the second half and went on about a 20-4 run and took the lead and went on to win. After the game, he came over and thanked me and said the T made him focus more on his kids than the calls and it obviously helped him out.

[kblehman]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

It's excuse making.

I had a coach in a youth game chirping, during a TO he started going and pointed at the score board. Now I could have whacked him but I went with a stern and loud enough for more than just the 2 of us to hear, "Coach we have NOTHING to do with that score, now stop looking for excuses and coach your team."

It worked too, they closed the gap and all we heard from him the rest of the game was him instructing his team.

Wow, that's excellent. I gotta remember that one. Thanks, BZ.

Do coaches intentionally push an official to see how much he can get away with? Do they simply not respect an official until the official stands up to him? Or do they really think constant badgering will actually help? Because all it does for me is distract me and make it harder for me to concentrate.

[Coltdoggs]

Originally Posted by kblehman

Wow, that's excellent. I gotta remember that one. Thanks, BZ.

Do coaches intentionally push an official to see how much he can get away with? Do they simply not respect an official until the official stands up to him? Or do they really think constant badgering will actually help? Because all it does for me is distract me and make it harder for me to concentrate.

If that's the case, then you need to say something/issue warning and T the next time they "distract" you...Players play, coaches coach, refs ref....at least it's supposed to be that way!

[kblehman]

Originally Posted by kblehman
[D]o they really think constant badgering will actually help? Because all it does for me is distract me and make it harder for me to concentrate.

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

If that's the case, then you need to say something/issue warning and T the next time they "distract" you...Players play, coaches coach, refs ref....at least it's supposed to be that way!

Is that the line in the sand for most officials--when the coach's comments or badgering becomes a distraction?

I have a pretty long fuse (no T's in 60+ games) so I mostly ignore it. However, there have been a few times when it became a distraction and then I myself start second-guessing my own calls, and that's when I worry about the snowball effect. Part of my hesitation is because I'm still a rookie, so when a coach questions a call I sometimes wonder if he's right. Just trying to learn where the boundaries are.

On a similar note, I've done a number of JV games where the coach is fine, but the varsity coach who is sitting on the bench continues to yap and make generic comments. ("It's barn-ball out there," "if they're not gonna call it you just have to play through it," "he's all over him," etc.) Is it best to tell the JV coach to shut him up? Because I'd rather not talk to anyone other than the coach of the team that's playing. Advice on how far to let it go and how to address a bench yapper?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

but I went with a stern and loud enough for more than just the 2 of us to hear, "Coach we have NOTHING to do with that score, now stop looking for excuses and coach your team."
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Hmmmm...people might want to be careful making comments like that to HS coaches (or above). What works with youth or rec league coaches may just get you into some serious trouble at other levels. Experience is a painful teacher sometimes.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Hmmmm...people might want to be careful making comments like that to HS coaches (or above). What works with youth or rec league coaches may just get you into some serious trouble at other levels. Experience is a painful teacher sometimes.

I did say, "In a youth game."

But honestly I wouldn't be afraid to use it...one-on-one to a coach at any level. I wouldn't do it across that floor, but up close, I just might.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Junker

Late in the 3rd, the losing coach (who we haven't heard from all night) is chirping at me about a hand check. There was no displacement and the offensive player got where she wanted to go (east-west in this case) so I told him it was incidental and that's why it wasn't called.

Wasn't ANY "hand on the dribbler" a POE a while back?? What's incidental got to do with anything?

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Wasn't ANY "hand on the dribbler" a POE a while back?? What's incidental got to do with anything?

In practice you call any hand on a foul and you'd be waving off shot after shot because any defender that is beat will put a hand on to stop the shot...most officials try not to reward bad defense and penalize the offense.

[grunewar]

As a coach I have never tried to get at T or been issued one. As has been stated, I have seen several coaches who work intentionally hard to get them - and gain their wish.....and it has fired up their team and turned a game around.

When I ref, I try not to talk to coaches and if they ask for a call I usually just shake my head east west or say no (as in they're wrong). I try to show restraint - especially since I work mostly JV and below...as has been stated - it ain't life and death, it's a game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Junker

I just don't get what coaches think they are gaining from getting the T, especially in this case. Can anyone enlighten me?

I coached a middle school team for over 25 years. Once I figured out how to coach, and achieved a better understanding of the rules, which took a few years, after that, I never got a technical foul. However, there were a few, very few, times that I thought about getting one. I demanded that my players never complain to the officials, and if the officials really screwed up, that I would speak up for them, in a polite way. When you coach over 400 games, you can occassionally come across a few officials who are really, really bad. On a few occasisons, these really bad officials wouldn't even let me politely question them. On some of these occassions I almost felt that I needed to get a technical foul to show my players, and their parents in the stands, that I would stick up for my players. But my emphasis on sportsmanship always won out.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Junker

Ok, here's one for those of you that have coached and especially those of you who are coaches. Last night, we have a blow out going in our girl's game. Not completely out of hand, but the game was not in doubt at all. Late in the 3rd, the losing coach (who we haven't heard from all night) is chirping at me about a hand check. There was no displacement and the offensive player got where she wanted to go (east-west in this case) so I told him it was incidental and that's why it wasn't called. He asks for a time out to talk, I grant it. He starts to rant about the no call, I tell him to choose his words carefully. After a 10 second conversation, I walk away and he tells me, "You're wrong." and I call the T. He obviously wanted it. I just don't get what coaches think they are gaining from getting the T, especially in this case. It doesn't affect how I call the game, it certainly didn't fire up his team. All it did in my opinion was make him look unsporting and model poor behavior for his team. Can anyone enlighten me?

Junker:

A hand check is not incidental contact. It is a foul. Having said that, from the description that you gave above, I would have told the defender to keep her hands off. If she doesn't remove her hand it is a foul or if she does remove her hand, it will be the foul the next time it happens.

MTD, Sr.