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Adam Wed Jan 09, 2008 02:53pm
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Originally Posted by archangel
Those comments are "nothing". Ignore and move on. Dont have rabbit ears.....
Rabbit ears? Good grief. I disagree.

Let the coach know that while you're willing to talk to him when appropriate, you're not going to listen to his assistant coach all game.

"If they're not gonna call it, you're gonna have to play through it." That's okay, IMO, as long as it's not continuous. The others, though, should be addressed early.

rockyroad Wed Jan 09, 2008 02:56pm
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Originally Posted by blindzebra
but I went with a stern and loud enough for more than just the 2 of us to hear, "Coach we have NOTHING to do with that score, now stop looking for excuses and coach your team."
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Hmmmm...people might want to be careful making comments like that to HS coaches (or above). What works with youth or rec league coaches may just get you into some serious trouble at other levels. Experience is a painful teacher sometimes.:(

blindzebra Wed Jan 09, 2008 03:00pm
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Originally Posted by rockyroad
Hmmmm...people might want to be careful making comments like that to HS coaches (or above). What works with youth or rec league coaches may just get you into some serious trouble at other levels. Experience is a painful teacher sometimes.:(
I did say, "In a youth game.";)

But honestly I wouldn't be afraid to use it...one-on-one to a coach at any level. I wouldn't do it across that floor, but up close, I just might.

Jurassic Referee Wed Jan 09, 2008 03:04pm
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Originally Posted by archangel
Those comments are "nothing". Ignore and move on. Dont have rabbit ears.....
Or looking at it from a different point of view, you could grow a crop and have the balls to take care of bidness.

Scrapper1 Wed Jan 09, 2008 03:20pm
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
Like my friend Paul says, "a million chinese won't give a **** tomorrow."
Does that mean the other 1.2 billion will give a **** tomorrow? :)

CoachP Wed Jan 09, 2008 03:27pm
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Originally Posted by Junker
Late in the 3rd, the losing coach (who we haven't heard from all night) is chirping at me about a hand check. There was no displacement and the offensive player got where she wanted to go (east-west in this case) so I told him it was incidental and that's why it wasn't called.
Wasn't ANY "hand on the dribbler" a POE a while back?? What's incidental got to do with anything?

blindzebra Wed Jan 09, 2008 03:40pm
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Originally Posted by CoachP
Wasn't ANY "hand on the dribbler" a POE a while back?? What's incidental got to do with anything?
In practice you call any hand on a foul and you'd be waving off shot after shot because any defender that is beat will put a hand on to stop the shot...most officials try not to reward bad defense and penalize the offense.

grunewar Wed Jan 09, 2008 03:41pm
As a coach I have never tried to get at T or been issued one. As has been stated, I have seen several coaches who work intentionally hard to get them - and gain their wish.....and it has fired up their team and turned a game around.

When I ref, I try not to talk to coaches and if they ask for a call I usually just shake my head east west or say no (as in they're wrong). I try to show restraint - especially since I work mostly JV and below...as has been stated - it ain't life and death, it's a game. ;)

bellnier Wed Jan 09, 2008 03:57pm
Referees NEVER call a fair game...it's always one-sided in favor of the other team. When we win, we succeeded by playing through the bad calls; when we lose, it's the referee's fault.

The fact that a referee T's me up for pointing out only one of his many unfair calls proves this point, beyond a reasonable doubt, to the players and fans.

Duh...you should all know this by now.

-Coach

BillyMac Wed Jan 09, 2008 08:12pm
Enlighten ???
 
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Originally Posted by Junker
I just don't get what coaches think they are gaining from getting the T, especially in this case. Can anyone enlighten me?
I coached a middle school team for over 25 years. Once I figured out how to coach, and achieved a better understanding of the rules, which took a few years, after that, I never got a technical foul. However, there were a few, very few, times that I thought about getting one. I demanded that my players never complain to the officials, and if the officials really screwed up, that I would speak up for them, in a polite way. When you coach over 400 games, you can occassionally come across a few officials who are really, really bad. On a few occasisons, these really bad officials wouldn't even let me politely question them. On some of these occassions I almost felt that I needed to get a technical foul to show my players, and their parents in the stands, that I would stick up for my players. But my emphasis on sportsmanship always won out.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Jan 09, 2008 09:27pm
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Originally Posted by Junker
Ok, here's one for those of you that have coached and especially those of you who are coaches. Last night, we have a blow out going in our girl's game. Not completely out of hand, but the game was not in doubt at all. Late in the 3rd, the losing coach (who we haven't heard from all night) is chirping at me about a hand check. There was no displacement and the offensive player got where she wanted to go (east-west in this case) so I told him it was incidental and that's why it wasn't called. He asks for a time out to talk, I grant it. He starts to rant about the no call, I tell him to choose his words carefully. After a 10 second conversation, I walk away and he tells me, "You're wrong." and I call the T. He obviously wanted it. I just don't get what coaches think they are gaining from getting the T, especially in this case. It doesn't affect how I call the game, it certainly didn't fire up his team. All it did in my opinion was make him look unsporting and model poor behavior for his team. Can anyone enlighten me?

Junker:

A hand check is not incidental contact. It is a foul. Having said that, from the description that you gave above, I would have told the defender to keep her hands off. If she doesn't remove her hand it is a foul or if she does remove her hand, it will be the foul the next time it happens.

MTD, Sr.

BktBallRef Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:12pm
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
I've had a coach earn a T that did fire up his team. Maybe he was willing to try this tactic and accept the possibility that this method would fail.

Or maybe something else entirely.

Like my friend Paul says, "a million chinese won't give a **** tomorrow."
Shouldn't that be a BILLION Chinese? :)

Nevadaref Thu Jan 10, 2008 05:58am
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On a similar note, I've done a number of JV games where the coach is fine, but the varsity coach who is sitting on the bench continues to yap and make generic comments. ("It's barn-ball out there," "if they're not gonna call it you just have to play through it," "he's all over him," etc.)

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Originally Posted by archangel
Those comments are "nothing". Ignore and move on. Dont have rabbit ears.....
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Nope, those are unsporting comments and definitely deserve a T. Those comments coming from an adult in a youth environment are unacceptable. Youth sports is about teaching the kids proper behavior, not just how to play the game. If you refuse to T for this, then please stop officiating youth games and work only adult leagues.

Also I've said it before and will say it again, the only officials who use the words "rabbit ears" are the ones who are too weak-willed to properly assess unsporting technical fouls.

Nevadaref Thu Jan 10, 2008 06:02am
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Originally Posted by bellnier
Referees NEVER call a fair game...it's always one-sided in favor of the other team. When we win, we succeeded by playing through the bad calls; when we lose, it's the referee's fault.

The fact that a referee T's me up for pointing out only one of his many unfair calls proves this point, beyond a reasonable doubt, to the players and fans.

Duh...you should all know this by now.

-Coach
:D

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mbyron Thu Jan 10, 2008 08:47am
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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
Shouldn't that be a BILLION Chinese? :)
You realize, don't you, that if you're "one in a million," then there are 1,200 people in China JUST LIKE YOU. ;)


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