What would you do?

[Brad]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

If the ball is legally touched inbounds and you reach the count of 1 and time has not expired and no horn has gone off - you know definitively that more than .4 seconds have elapsed - perhaps even as much as 1.2 seconds.

OK, I guess that I just do not "count" in these situations. If there is 0.4 left on the clock, you should know what a player is able to do in that time, once you have been in enough last-second-shot situations.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Brad

OK, I guess that I just do not "count" in these situations. If there is 0.4 left on the clock, you should know what a player is able to do in that time, once you have been in enough last-second-shot situations.

Get ready to have the abuse heaped upon you. It's not so bad

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Your personal integrity will tell you what to do.

Exactly...I slept ok

[Brad]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Get ready to have the abuse heaped upon you. It's not so bad

I think that most posters know better than to *abuse* me... The "Whack! Get Out!!!" title does have some meaning behind it!

[Coltdoggs]

Originally Posted by Brad

And for all of you counters out there... How the hell do you count in tenths of seconds?!? Counting doesn't really do you a bit of good in the situation outlined here.

If I get to ONE-THOU...then that = .4

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Nope, incorrect. There is NO judgment of any kind involved. You put up exactly what you see on the clock at the time of the whistle. No guesses allowed. If you didn't see a definitive time, you can't put anything back up. If it was blurred and you didn't get a definitive time, game's over.

I tried to read thru this thread once and got completely confused. So maybe someone's already asked this, maybe not -

Doesn't he have definite knowledge that there was NOT zero seconds on the clock? If we agree on that, how can he leave 00:00 up there?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Brad

OK, I guess that I just do not "count" in these situations. If there is 0.4 left on the clock, you should know what a player is able to do in that time, once you have been in enough last-second-shot situations.

What is a player able to do in that time?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I tried to read thru this thread once and got completely confused. So maybe someone's already asked this, maybe not -

Doesn't he have definite knowledge that there was NOT zero seconds on the clock? If we agree on that, how can he leave 00:00 up there?

And that's why I said he had definite knowledge of at least 0.1.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

And that's why I said he had definite knowledge of at least 0.1.

And what I also think I read is that .4 seconds is the first number that registered in his brain. If that's true then we need to put at least .4 back on, not .1

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

And what I also think I read is that .4 seconds is the first number that registered in his brain. If that's true then we need to put at least .4 back on, not .1

Agreed

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

And what I also think I read is that .4 seconds is the first number that registered in his brain. If that's true then we need to put at least .4 back on, not .1

Then the only thing that you can put back on the clock is 0.4 seconds. That is definite knowledge. You can't put on "at least" anything else.

That's exactly what I've been saying.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Then the only thing that you can put back on the clock is 0.4 seconds. That is definite knowledge. You can't put on "at least" anything else.

That's exactly what I've been saying.

Jurassic, are you saying that if I look up and see time click off after the whistle, but didn't get a clear enough view to "see" 0.1, just the motion that took it off, that I can't put 0.1 on? And if I see more than 1 "tick" of the clock, I can't put 0.2 on?

I say that's definite knowledge.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Jurassic, are you saying that if I look up and see time click off after the whistle, but didn't get a clear enough view to "see" 0.1, just the motion that took it off, that I can't put 0.1 on? And if I see more than 1 "tick" of the clock, I can't put 0.2 on?

I say that's definite knowledge.

Unless you saw the actual time to an exact tenth of a second, it is not definite knowledge.

You can put back up the exact time that you first see when you look at the clock. And that's not what I'm saying. That's what the rules are saying.

When they got rid of lag time last year, this is what was stated in the COMMENTS on the new rule: This change eliminates the need for lag time or reaction time on the part of the clock operator. The referee may put the exact time observed by an official back on the game clock. The committee felt that with new clock technology and the ability to observe tenths of a second, when an official has definite knowledge relative to the time involved, he/she should have the ability to put the correct time on the game clock."

If you don't get a clear view and see an exact time, then NO, you can't put any time back on. What you actually see is the only time that can go back on. Dem's the rules.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Unless you saw the actual time to an exact tenth of a second, it is not definite knowledge.

You can put back up the exact time that you first see when you look at the clock. And that's not what I'm saying. That's what the rules are saying.

When they got rid of lag time last year, this is what was stated in the COMMENTS on the new rule: This change eliminates the need for lag time or reaction time on the part of the clock operator. The referee may put the exact time observed by an official back on the game clock. The committee felt that with new clock technology and the ability to observe tenths of a second, when an official has definite knowledge relative to the time involved, he/she should have the ability to put the correct time on the game clock."

If you don't get a clear view and see an exact time, then NO, you can't put any time back on. What you actually see is the only time that can go back on. Dem's the rules.

OK...it's under a second when I look up and see a blur of numbers and finally .4 seconds registers...can't I then say that since I saw the clock moving when I recognized the time at .4 then *at least* .4 has to go up? And if the clock was moving I should actually put up .5, acknowledging that I really don't know if it was .5 or .6 or .7...?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Unless you saw the actual time to an exact tenth of a second, it is not definite knowledge.

You can put back up the exact time that you first see when you look at the clock. And that's not what I'm saying. That's what the rules are saying.

When they got rid of lag time last year, this is what was stated in the COMMENTS on the new rule: This change eliminates the need for lag time or reaction time on the part of the clock operator. The referee may put the exact time observed by an official back on the game clock. The committee felt that with new clock technology and the ability to observe tenths of a second, when an official has definite knowledge relative to the time involved, he/she should have the ability to put the correct time on the game clock."

If you don't get a clear view and see an exact time, then NO, you can't put any time back on. What you actually see is the only time that can go back on. Dem's the rules.