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SamIAm Tue Jan 08, 2008 09:59am

A bufoon at the game
 
Every so often in the game of life, we go to the table to report the foul and we have to give them our own number. Today it's my turn. I am not officiating, just an educated fan. I have hung up my whistle as my daughter is playing middle school sports.

7th grade, Girls B-Team game. I get to the A-team game as early as I can and watch some of the B-Team game. The B-Team game was a close contest. at about the 4 minute mark in the 4th quarter, with the good guys on a break of sorts (as close as they come to it), about to take a close and open shot, the official stops play and points to the table who failed to start the clock. Most of the crowd had no idea why the official stopped play and were looking at each other looking for an answer. I stood-up and called out very loudly to the officials, "You stopped an open lay-up because the clock was not running?", in a very condescending tone. I am near the division line and the official is in the far corner. He easily heard me and gave me long glance. I sat, looked down, and shook my head at fthe officials, who had been sloppy and were'nt planning on moving up in the officiating ranks.

Now I start thinking to myself that there is not really a provision in the rules as to when to blow the play dead when the clock is not running, except that you should. I am still shaking my head but now at myself. I lean over and tell my 2nd grade son that I should not have yelled at the official like that and that I would apologize to him after the game, which I did.

The official was very nice about it. The officials called both games very fairly.

All in all it was not a big deal, but I knew I had violated the code.

SmokeEater Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:02am

Been there, Done that, Got the T-shirt! Sometimes you just can't help yourself. My wife says that its just verbal overflow when the dialogue gates don't close fast enough. You did the right thing afterwards.

kbilla Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:05am

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Originally Posted by SamIAm
Every so often in the game of life, we go to the table to report the foul and we have to give them our own number. Today it's my turn. I am not officiating, just an educated fan. I have hung up my whistle as my daughter is playing middle school sports.

7th grade, Girls B-Team game. I get to the A-team game as early as I can and watch some of the B-Team game. The B-Team game was a close contest. at about the 4 minute mark in the 4th quarter, with the good guys on a break of sorts (as close as they come to it), about to take a close and open shot, the official stops play and points to the table who failed to start the clock. Most of the crowd had no idea why the official stopped play and were looking at each other looking for an answer. I stood-up and called out very loudly to the officials, "You stopped an open lay-up because the clock was not running?", in a very condescending tone. I am near the division line and the official is in the far corner. He easily heard me and gave me long glance. I sat, looked down, and shook my head at fthe officials, who had been sloppy and were'nt planning on moving up in the officiating ranks.

Now I start thinking to myself that there is not really a provision in the rules as to when to blow the play dead when the clock is not running, except that you should. I am still shaking my head but now at myself. I lean over and tell my 2nd grade son that I should not have yelled at the official like that and that I would apologize to him after the game, which I did.

The official was very nice about it. The officials called both games very fairly.

All in all it was not a big deal, but I knew I had violated the code.

It takes integrity to blow the whistle on yourself, kudos to you...but I agree with you I would not kill it in that case, I would have waited until the play was done, similar to an injury...I don't have any rules backing off the top of my head, but that is how I believe I would have handled it....DEFINITELY in a ms game...

MJT Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:06am

More importantly however, you used your error in judgment to an advantage in a great teaching moment for your son. Telling him you made a mistake and were going to apologize for it, and then doing so made the experience actually one that turned out more positive for his becoming a good person than if it had not happened. You could talk to him about it if someone else had yelled, but having you do it, admit it, and apologize was much better for his learning and understanding how people should behave in our world. Good job in teaching your son!

inigo montoya Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:58am

As a side note... in order not to penalize the team on the break, would the proper thing be to begin a count and blow the whistle after the shot goes in or missed shot is rebounded, then correct the clock with your definite knowledge?

rainmaker Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:23pm

As others have said, Sam, good job being self-aware enough to see and admit your flaw. We've all done it, some of us are still doing it when no one is looking. Learn from it and move on. And don't wait too long to get back onto the floor. SOunds like your area needs you!

Mark Padgett Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:53pm

Although I personally have never made a mistake, I admire the way you took responsibility for yours. Good job on how you handled it. :)

TimTaylor Tue Jan 08, 2008 01:45pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Although I personally have never made a mistake, I admire the way you took responsibility for yours. Good job on how you handled it. :)

Now where did I put my hip boots & that dang shovel! :D

rockyroad Tue Jan 08, 2008 02:14pm

Been there, done that...have had to make a couple of apologies over the last two seasons as my sons are playing HS ball now. I have found that sitting near the door and being able to get up and walk out for a few minutes keeps me from embarrasing myself quite well. Although I did have a lady I did not know follow me out one time and ask me why I walked out after her husband made a call against the home team (it was a PC call on my son that, of course, I thought was wrong:mad: )...I just looked at her and said that I didn't like the call and rather than be tempted into saying anything, I just left to calm myself down. She told me that it "would hurt her husband's feelings" if he saw me leave...I just smiled and thanked her. Geesh...

Mark Padgett Tue Jan 08, 2008 02:43pm

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Originally Posted by TimTaylor
Now where did I put my hip boots & that dang shovel! :D

Since I've never made a mistake, I don't have any to loan you. ;)

Loudwhistle Tue Jan 08, 2008 02:56pm

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Originally Posted by TimTaylor
Now where did I put my hip boots & that dang shovel! :D

Tim,
You'll need something taller than that, I was thinking of my chest waders!!

TimTaylor Tue Jan 08, 2008 03:06pm

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Originally Posted by Loudwhistle
Tim,
You'll need something taller than that, I was thinking of my chest waders!!

Good point! And a Bobcat might be more useful than the shovel as well ;)

SamIAm Tue Jan 08, 2008 03:35pm

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Originally Posted by TimTaylor
Good point! And a Bobcat might be more useful than the shovel as well ;)

The middle school team in the OP, the good guys, are the Bobcats.

w_sohl Tue Jan 08, 2008 04:05pm

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Originally Posted by kbilla
It takes integrity to blow the whistle on yourself, kudos to you...but I agree with you I would not kill it in that case, I would have waited until the play was done, similar to an injury...I don't have any rules backing off the top of my head, but that is how I believe I would have handled it....DEFINITELY in a ms game...

I'd probably do it to the home team, but not the visitors. I would think the coach or AD or the timer would make sure they were correct from then on in the future.

Back In The Saddle Wed Jan 09, 2008 01:15am

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Originally Posted by Loudwhistle
Tim,
You'll need something taller than that, I was thinking of my chest waders!!

I was thinking SCUBA gear, maybe even a diving bell. :D


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